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LA and the Vuelta. Am i reading too much into this quote?(10 posts)

LA and the Vuelta. Am i reading too much into this quote?Largo
Aug 2, 2001 3:24 PM
This is from the April 13/01
Lance Armstrong has said that he may ride the Vuelta España (Tour of Spain) in support of teammate and last year's winner, Roberto Heras, if the Spaniard helps him win win three straight Tours de France.

Speaking to Darren Tulett of Bloomberg News at the Circuit de la Sarthe, Armstrong said "If Roberto does the job that we all think he will do, then I believe that should be paid back."

"I don't want to get myself in a corner here, where I'm fully committed to doing the Vuelta, but I believe in returning favors. "
Hmmm, Heras worked hard for him in the TDF, and he won a 3rd, should he not pay him back?
This quote is even more tellingJ.S.
Aug 2, 2001 3:50 PM
US Postal team leader Dirk Demol said at a press conference today that there is only a "small chance" that Lance Armstrong will ride the Vuelta España, "but if he does go to the Vuelta, then he will also want to win."

I knew this was going to happen, Lances ego will not allow him to work for someone else, especially when his place in cycling history is at stake.
Jesus Tap Dancing Christ...LA Biker
Aug 2, 2001 4:38 PM
...What is with you?

Have we gotten to the point in our society (and I mean this when I say it, not tongue in cheek, I think you are American, but if not, my apologies) that we seach high and low for a way to tear down the heroes we have?

Seriously, who are we to stand in judgement of Lance and his decsion to do the Vuelta or NOT to do the Vuelta. All we have is some hear-say and conjecture presented to us through dubious journalistic sources.

I am not trying to flame anyone or show disrespect, but for the love of pete, stop the witch hunt. First the doping allegations and now this.

LA Biker - by the by, I got it by my first car today while out riding the PCH. A woman cut me off on a right hand turn, I wasn't looking up and I ran into the trunk of her car! Jammed my bars into my left knee which now HURTS LIKE HELL!!!
Getting a little worked up there pal.J.S.
Aug 3, 2001 7:03 AM
I posted a quote with an observation and you act like I'm killing baby seals, relax. Lance does have a huge ego, it's what makes him an amazing competitor, the funny part is that this is exactly what I told a friend he would do. As far as dubious journalism, does that only apply to things that you don't agree with or is all the good stuff written about Lance by journalists bulls**t also? When this is played out I would like to resume this discussion.
Lance's Ego???biknben
Aug 2, 2001 6:11 PM
C'mon...Give all of us and Lance a break. Guy wins the tour again, the press won't let up, and he still shows respect to everyone. All the interviews I read he was displaying nothing but respect for his competition.

The only thing I've seen that resembles an ego was "The Look" but that's up for interpretation and only he knows what was going through his head at the time.

Let's stop criticizing, making excuses, raising doping suspicion and just watch the guy WIN!
If a man can't keep his word..............Largo
Aug 2, 2001 6:21 PM
You can be the greatest cyclist alive (which LA probably is)but does that mean its ok to go back on your word?
Granted, the above quote is not black and white, but i sure interpret it as a promise to help Heras in the Veulta if he helped LA win a 3rd Maillot Jeune.
Heras must be asking himself "why did i listen to them"
What if you had a kid, and he kept breaking his promises and validated it by saying that its ok, because Lance does.
When all is said and done, all a man has is his word.
Largo, I respectfuly point out this..LA Biker
Aug 2, 2001 6:26 PM
..."...the above quote is not black and white, but I sure interpret it as a promise..."

The crux in that sentence is "I". Yes, you may certainly interpret that as you wish, however that does not make your interpretation correct, or even valid. All it does is point out YOUR interpretation.

What ever was said between Heras and Lance is most likely staying betwen them. All we have to go by is mere hear-say and conjecture.

I point this out with no disprespect to you.

LA Biker
You are absolutely correct.Largo
Aug 2, 2001 6:40 PM
As my original post stated, maybe i am reading too much into this, but if the quotes are correct, it would be in bad style to back out.
Take care of that knee.
Lance's Ego???cycleguy
Aug 2, 2001 7:29 PM
Hard to do what Lance has and not have an ego. Not because you do it, but because you believe you can! But read what those who ride in the Peloton with him say. Look at how hard his teammates ride so he can win. Did not Hamilton win a tour last year because of Lance. How bout Pantani last year, Ulrich crashes and he waits. Rumor has it that he also offered to help Jaja win a stage if he could keep up. The guy is not a saint, but if he does ride the Vuelta and Heras is strong I believe he will help. Look at Eddy M., who won what, over 30%+ of all the races he entered? And many say he was the greatest rider of all time. He was not riding alone. He rode to win, everytime! JMHO
Payback could mean money!mr_spin
Aug 3, 2001 6:50 AM
If I do a rough estimate, Heras and his other USPS teammates made about $35K each for helping Lance win the tour. That doesn't include a possible personal bonus directly from Lance and an incentive bonus from the team.

But, it sure would be nice to see Lance working for Heras in Spain. That would be true payback. In the back of my mind, I wonder if USPS could be playing some head games here. There was a quote yesterday from someone on the team (not a rider) somewhat hinting that if Lance rode, he would be the leader. That just doesn't make sense, considering Heras is he defending champion! Maybe they are just trying to show a team in confusion, to dupe other teams into reacting. It's a little crazy, but hey, look at what they did on L'Alpe d'Huez.