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Aug 1, 2001 6:11 PM
Couldn't help but notice this, but in my country, there are a TON of mountain bikes on our roads. Why don't people just buy roadbikes which are more practical for road riding (DUH!). Here in the Philippines, there are around 10 mountain bikes bought for every road bike. And most of those MTBs are hardly used off road! Like my buddy who bought a MTB instead of a road bike because there are some potholes on the road..DUH! AVOID THEM! It pisses me off to see so many fat dudes on tricked out MTBs..full suspension, bar ends, the works....but not using them off road at all. Get a road bike if you will only be riding on the road.
You think THAT"S bad ?HamSammy
Aug 1, 2001 6:25 PM
I see bikers with really expensive mountain bikes AND road bikes on the road, that aren't even RIDING them ! They strap them on the back of their cars or - get this - sometimes ON THE ROOF of their cars, and they drive their cars down the street with the bikes tied on. DUH !! Who are these people ??!!

Hey Morons! Don't buy a bike if you're just gonna tie it to a car ! DUH ! A bike is for riding on the road, not for showing off a fancy car-bike holder thingy !
who cares as long as they are riding...speeder
Aug 1, 2001 6:34 PM
Plus MTB's are much more versitile. I've ridden thousands of road miles on my Litespeed MTB with no problems.

PS--last month I broke down and bought a Lemond Zurich. Definately a better ride1
Why are there so many SUVs on the road?Bruno S
Aug 1, 2001 6:47 PM
Because of the same reason: To the average consumer they look more cool. Suspension, fat tires, etc. Besides a mtb bike is easier to ride, to maintain (no high psi), more confortable and cheaper. The problem with SUVs is that they have replaced the minivan in the average family because of looks not because of function. It also pisses me off to see so many tricked out SUVs flipping over, polluting, rising the gas prices and causing deads.
Aug 1, 2001 7:00 PM
I hear a lot of fights on this messageboard about this or that roadie being a poser because he wears a yellow jersey or rides a Colnago C40. BS! Those guys are not posers. Fat dudes on MTBs, wearing roadie gear, and spinning with their granny gear on a flat these are the genuine posers. Somebody tell them that they just make themselves look worse.
Aug 1, 2001 7:11 PM
Don't forget the aerobar. :D
ever think they're riding to/from the trails?club
Aug 1, 2001 7:39 PM
If you see me on pavement on my MTB, it's because I'd rather pedal to and from the trails than drive a stinking SUV. Is that OK with you, idiot?
Aug 1, 2001 7:56 PM
DUH...there are no trails within 100 kilometers from this city. Know more about what I am talking about before you resort to name calling. You must be a teenager with too much time on your hands.
OK, make that narrowminded roadie snob bigotclub
Aug 2, 2001 5:09 AM
become a cyclist, break free of the narrowminded roadie vs MTB crap, you must read too many magazines. And I bet if you got into mountain biking, you would discover there are plenty of trails in your neck of the woods. Even major metropolitan hellholes have some trails.
to better show of the bikes on their roofs! nmwouter
Aug 1, 2001 7:00 PM
to better show of the bikes on their roofs! nmVictorChan
Aug 1, 2001 7:12 PM
It also attracts more dirt. I am sure the wind and dust will erode the bike too.
Nothing like a TT bike on your roof on your way home from WORK!Raymond_105
Aug 1, 2001 7:21 PM
Saw this guy who walks around town in a Festina jersey, and keeps his TT bike on his car's roof even if THERE ARE NO TIME TRIAL EVENTS in this country, and IT IS A WORKDAY. He even keeps a bunch of spare wheelsets in the back of his car...which has a bunch of cycling stickers of course.

Poser? Sure! Like the MTB Road rider? Probably.
Depends where you livekenyee
Aug 1, 2001 7:46 PM
If you live in a snowy area like the northeast or midwest, the extra ground clearance helps a lot. Of course, only if you shopped right and got something with full time all wheel drive.

Also, if you only have space for one car, would you get the one that covers the most uses? Or would you get a sports car? You'd get the one that meets your priorities and needs if you thought logically.

On the MTB issue, they seem more useful to me than road bikes, again depending on where you use them. If you have rough roads (Boston or NY pothole city), they're useful. If you go out to the countryside on weekends, they're more useful on dirt trails (although you could use a cyclocross bike too). If you're planning on riding with friends who have road bikes, they're a bad idea. As another poster mentioned, MTBs are sold everywhere...even at the grocery store checkout lines around here.

Anyways...the answer is almost always "it depends". You can't pass judgement unless you know more about the person you see on the MTB or SUV and their selection process. That's not to say there aren't poseurs in the world. Just that you can't make a snap judgement and be right all the time.
Take a look at any SoCal suburb...Bruno S
Aug 1, 2001 9:07 PM
It doesn't even rain there but SUVs are everywhere and not just Explorers. Huge monsters that take all parking spaces and invade the bicycle lanes. didn't mention wherekenyee
Aug 2, 2001 5:46 AM
SoCal in general has a lot of's the L.A./Hollywood thing :-)

At any rate, you'll find that the common mid-size ones are shorter than sedans like a Camry, so you'd have to be specific and clarify your "take all the parking spaces" comment too...see? Generalizations don't always work :-)

You have bicycle lanes? You're lucky. Come up to Boston and try biking on our narrow roads (former cow paths) with the psycho impatient drivers and the potholes from hell. And no, these drivers don't just drive SUVs, though there are a lot of those and minivans and delivery trucks everywhere as well...remember: it doesn't matter if you're hit by a Geo or an SUV. They still weigh thousands of pounds more than you and it WILL hurt...
Who cares? At least they are out riding!peloton
Aug 1, 2001 7:21 PM
Who cares what people ride on. The world would be a better place if everyone rode a bike, any bike with more regularity.
Not unless they ride to "pose"!Raymond_105
Aug 1, 2001 7:28 PM
A lot of people here ride just to show off...they don't ride to commute, or to get fit, or because they love cycling. Bottomline is, they ride to pose...we don't need dudes like these. If they want to pose, they should stick to SUV they use to show their bike off on the way to some trail, road filled with posers who gather there to talk about this or that new piece of equipment. which they DO NOT USE ANYWAY. Case in point..AEROBARS on a MOUNTAIN BIKE, like what Victor Chan mentioned. I see that a lot here and it just plain PISSES ME OFF.
Not unless they ride to "pose"!VictorChan
Aug 1, 2001 9:36 PM
Well, people can do what they want with their money and their bikes. It is silly seeing people riding expensive bikes but not getting any fitness or performance out of them. On Monday, I saw two guys riding two $1000+ road bike on a park near my home. The park has a 1 mile bike/rollerblade trail, circle. These guys weren't even wearing the right gear. They look like teenagers and hanging out in the park.
If you ride to 'pose', I wonder about your sensibilitypeloton
Aug 2, 2001 7:23 AM
Think about what the average cyclist looks like. Shaved legs, funny spandex clothing, funky tan lines, generally suffering like a dog, and a styrofoam cooler on the head to finish off the look.

Is this really a look you would want to 'pose' with? It would be like taking up golf to wear those tight, colored pants the old men seem to like.

I've got better things to waste my hate on than other cyclists. Just ride, and enjoy.
The tan lines must be earned...Kristin
Aug 2, 2001 9:43 AM
You can't pose tan lines. Well, okay, you could, but it would require lounging by the pool in your gear--hardly worth it to most poseurs. I ride approx. 80-100 miles a week and have only a slight tan line.
You are lucky!peloton
Aug 2, 2001 9:48 AM
My tan lines didn't fade until what seemed like the middle of the winter last season. I look pretty silly when I take my shirt off. Oh well
Aug 1, 2001 7:28 PM
I also like to think that part of the reason there are so many MTB's on the road compared to road bikes is that the average joe off the street buys his bike at places like Super K Mart or Super Wal Mart. That's the first place most people go to get a bike from what I've seen. I see lots of Pacific and Huffy bikes on the road around here from the local K Marts and Wal Marts. It's a lot easier to go into a Wal Mart and spend $110 on a one size fits all Huffy than to go to a bike shop and spend $1300 on a Cannondale and have to go through the sizing process. There are a lot of posts on this site about newbies and that we were all newbies once, and of course so was I, and guess where I got my bike to start seriously riding? Yup...a Huffy MTB from Wal Mart. I was clueless at the time (obviously), and I actually tried Ride the Rockies on it a couple of years ago. When I arrived imagine my surprise to see all the road bikes and I'm carrying around this $100 Sherman tank Huffy...I really knew I'd screwed up then. I thought everyone would be on MTB's like mine. I made it through three days of it then demoed a softride the last four days, and the learning curve was huge during that week. I now have a Raleigh 700 and in my apartment complex people act like they've never seen a bike like mine. One guy always remarks about "my really nice bike". He and his wife ride Huffy cruisers they bought at the local Super K Mart. Just my two cents worth here.
How do you know they're not riding them offroad?club
Aug 1, 2001 7:49 PM
It doesn't sound like you've ever been on any dirt yourself to see firsthand whether the "fat posers" you spot on pavement are heading home from 4 hours of righteous singletracking. Duh indeed. Idiot. Maybe they'll all wise up and buy nice big 4x4 trucks so they can whiz by you on your glorious non-poser road bike. Would you prefer that? If not, why don't you chill and grow up enough to realize all bikes are good bikes. I'm a roadie, I'm an MTBer, I'm a tandem captain, I ride cross, I ride fixed gear, I'm a touring cyclist, I'm a former cat II trackie, I can ride a highwheeler and a unicycle, and I work on my own 14 bikes, including building all the wheels. Guess that makes me a super-duper-poser, huh? Idiot.
You do love the word "idiot" uh? Get a life...Raymond_105
Aug 1, 2001 8:01 PM
...from the looks of it, you do nothing but bike related stuff...and still you are NOT A PROFESSIONAL CYCLIST. How pathetic. I Pity your wife/girlfriend if you have one.

I am quite sure that those fat dudes do not ride off road. Just trust me on this one.
Aug 1, 2001 8:19 PM
club does have a point. Why are you talking sh!t about overweight mtb riders? What do you suggest they do? Not ride at all? A lot of people find mtbs more fun and comfortable, even if they do stick primarily to the road with them--it doesn't bother me. Racing bikes are kind of silly for most people, and most people have just one bike. And like club, I ride my mtb on the trails--over an hour of road riding each way.
ah, but you are mistakenclub
Aug 2, 2001 5:13 AM
if by "professional," you mean does my love and knowledge of cycling provide my income, then yes, I am indeed a professional, and own my house and possessions free and clear thanks to my lifelong involvement in cycling. ARE an idiot !!!HamSammy
Aug 2, 2001 10:51 AM
I hate to be the one (well the third one) to have to tell you, but if you're getting angry--actually getting angry--that someone would ride a mountain bike on a road, or wear a yellow jersey, or ride for any other reason than one that suits you, then're a dope. And not just any dope...a hostile, intolerant, dangerously ignorant mo-ron.

Here's what you know about people you don't know.....NOTHING !

You don't know where a guy is riding from or riding don't know why he's wearing what he's wearing or riding what he's riding...for all you know he just STOLE that bike and is riding to the friggin pawn shop to hock that baby...excuse him if he didn't steal the proper roadie gear and shave his legs before the heist !

I started as a Mountain Biker...I rode the road to and from the trails....after a while I started taking longer routes to the trails because I liked being out on the road...then I ended up putting hybrid tires on the mountain bike since I was doing 50/50 on and off road....this summer I bought a Road Bike for the road and put the knobbies back on the Mountain Bike for off road, and now I go out for long road rides or I take the roads to the trails on the MTB like I always have...

but here's the deal...I could be out on the road riding a friggin' Unicycle with training wheels wearing a Lance Armstrong Jersey and a strap-on Dildo...if you ever pulled up to me to tell me how "Pissed Off" you were that was on the road with my rig...I'd break your freakin' jaw.

Shut the hell up and ride.
LOL! The imagery...agh...the sheer imagerykenyee
Aug 2, 2001 12:40 PM
I actually pictured that 2nd to last paragraph. I'm going to have nightmares tonight :-)
Aug 2, 2001 4:56 PM
So far, those of you who have reprimanded me for starting this thread have called me names. I don't know you, but I can definitely say that you are immature AMERICANS. No different from the rednecks throwing beer cans I read about in this website
Possibly because ...Humma Hah
Aug 1, 2001 8:23 PM
1) A MTB is less scary for a first-time rider. Drop bars take a little getting used to.

2) A MTB is more forgiving if you hit a pothole or curb. Again, good for less experienced riders.

3) A MTB has lower gears available. Those newbie riders really don't need gears that let them push 40 mph down hills.

4) The upright seating position lets you comfortably see where you are going. If you're enjoying the scenery, a MTB is a good bet.

There's nothing wrong with MTB's on the road unless you're trying to go really fast or you're trying to go a long distance with as little effort as possible.
well said (nm)Hank
Aug 1, 2001 8:33 PM
Well said indeed.....Raymond_105
Aug 1, 2001 9:45 PM
You have a point dude. BUT a lot, and I mean, a LOT of people here simply buy MTBs to show off. How do I know, I see a LOT of people like these going into my LBS. If they want to ride UPRIGHT, and EASY, and SAFE FROM BUMPS...then they should get A COMFORT BIKE. Freakin A! Point is, all they want to do is POSE. It's just like buying a RANGE ROVER when you live in Flatland.
Lighten up...Mike Prince
Aug 2, 2001 3:14 AM
As many others have said, one has to start somewhere. The "posers" and "fat guys" you refer to should be applauded for at least getting up off the sofa and getting out. Life is a full of choices and if someone's choice is to ride a MTB (or a cross bike or a unicycle or tricycle)on the road, what is wrong with that? I would prefer anyday to deal with "too many" bikes of any type on the road instead of too many dopes with blaring radios, selective eyesight and aggressive behavior in cars and the like.

Enjoy your ride today dude...and lose the road bike rage. Life is too short to obsess about what other people decide to do.
You're talking to a guy ...Humma Hah
Aug 2, 2001 6:33 AM
... who has put about 1900 miles on a 30-year old cruiser this year, and done 4 centuries on it in the last 11 months. Why? Because I'm comfortable with it!

I think all of you should try it! Just as I do have a MTB up at the cabin, and would very much like to add a classic roadbike to my modest stable. But I've run my MTB on the road -- with a set of 1.25" slicks on it, it IS basically a hybrid, what you're calling a "comfort bike", I think. Rigid MTB's like mine are the modern equivalent of a cruiser -- they were originally derived from cruisers, I can tell you that because my cruiser IS one of the proto-MTB's, converted for that purpose in the early-mid 1970's.

As for the SUV thing, we own an Explorer. We do have a use for it, at our mountain cabin back in the woods in West Virginia, but we didn't buy it. It was given to us by my mother in law, who was buying a new one. The old one had never been on anything more rugged than a gravel driveway. Why does she like Explorers? She's a tiny slip of a woman, who feels big and invincible in an SUV. She's not posing as some hardy back-woods explorer, she's just trying not to feel intimidated by everyone else. Do I object to this? Yeah -- but because it squanders resources, not because she's posing as a "big person".

The person on a bicycle, any bicycle, is conserving resources. I applaud that.

Unless, of course, you put the roadbike on the roof of your SUV every weekend and drive 500 miles to a 30-mile cycling event!
Also because........ebh123
Aug 2, 2001 5:50 AM
It's great training for off-road racing. I own a couple road bikes in addition to my mountain bikes however, I use (frequently) my mtb race bike on long road rides as a training tool. Do some 3-4 hour road rides with a 22 lb mountain bike and come Sunday your ready to go. If I used my 17 lb roadbike all the time the weight diff come race day would be apparent not to mention position, crank length, etc.

I'm not sure about the "posers" Raymound is dealing with. There's an 80 year old woman on a big trike with orange flags out every day along my training route. Good thing Raymound does'nt have to deal with that unbearable nuisance on the road {sarcastic}.......
Nicely saidkenyee
Aug 2, 2001 5:57 AM
5) If a newbie goes into a bike shop and says "I haven't ridden in 20 yrs, what should I look at", they'll point you at MTBs and Hybrids.

6) MTBs can be used off-road and on

7) You can buy a cheap MTB at your supermarket or K-mart or Walmart, but not a cheap road bike
Aug 1, 2001 9:47 PM
Well, for me, years ago (12 I believe), when I wanted to get back into cycling after a long hiatus since college, and many moves, settling back into a working society, the Mountain bike, first of all, was the wave, the in bike, the hot seller, everybody had one; (I had previously only ridden road bikes), they were sold as being more versitile (can ride on/off road - albiet not as fast on road) go anywhere/do anything kind of a bike; plus I had never experienced a mnt. bike - it made sense, so that's what I bought. But after 9 years of riding it mainly on the road, I woke up, smelled the coffee, and said HEY, you like going fast, you ride on the road 99% of the time, road bikes are lighter, more nimble, better handling, acceleration, etc. - get another road bike. So I did. Maybe I was one of those you saw, still in my chrysallis.
Mountain Bikes in South Florida...Lou M
Aug 2, 2001 4:48 AM
Now there is a phenomenom that I can't comprehend. As some of you might now, there isn't a moutain or hill nearby (flat as my ex's chest), there aren't any quality trails either. I have heard of their existence and have checked them out only to be dissapointed. Yet when I visit any "big" bike shops the ratio of mountain bikes to road bikes is amazing, 5/1 in some places. There is a great selection of dual suspension mountain bikes of +$3000. Perhaps it is because I lived in the Northeast before and have experienced the true joy of "real" mountain biking.

I know that a lot of tourists buy mountain bikes but I can't imagine enough of these sales to justify the magnitude of the selection. It just doesn't make business or consumer sense. The sad part is that the number of bike shops with a good selection of quality road bikes is almos non-existent.
Raymond 105IDIOT
Aug 2, 2001 4:54 AM
Shut up and get over it all ready... quit obsessing a go ride. Who really cares anyway?
Aug 2, 2001 5:00 AM
The mass market goes to Wal Mart or similar place to buy a bike. How many of these bikes in Wal Mart have road handle bars, racing 700c tires and cost more than $99? For riders just getting started or who aren't that serious, the MTB is the way to go. They often fall into the less than $500 price range for a bike and MTB's are the bikes that seem to be halfway decent for that price. -- Only when they try to ride with some real roadies and get toasted do they start thinking about the weight of the bike, the rolling resistance, gearing etc.
Gee. Some people actually ride for casual recreation???MikeC
Aug 2, 2001 5:25 AM
What a concept! Some people actually ride bikes because they like being outdoors, getting some gentle exercise, and socializing with other riders!
MTBs are far more rider-friendly than road bikes once you remove on-the-edge performance from the equation. You can sit in a more comfortable position, see your surroundings better, soak up bumps, and worry less about flats. And you can even get a mass market bike for a couple of hundred dollars or less!
Look, people, we're not normal. We put up with nervous, fragile, high-buck machines because we've found a niche that we love physically, socially, and mentally. But it's we who are abnormal, with our shaved legs, lycra, $200 shoes, nutrition aids, and love of 12% climbs, not the rest of the population. They think that bikes are, gee, just for having fun!
mikes rightrailer
Aug 2, 2001 8:49 AM
who would want a road bike for casual riding?
Mike's Right IIRacerTodd
Aug 2, 2001 9:47 AM
He is right. Road bikes are made for going fast. That's why they're light, low, and lousy for socializing and looking at the birds and bunnies.
Most people ride bikes for communing with nature and spending quality time with others. Cruisers and MTBs do that much better than road bikes.
Yo, Mike- Stop making so much sense in your posts! You're gonna give roadies a bad name!
Mikes Right III? Who Cares?!!!Austin3:16
Aug 2, 2001 1:17 PM
Yeah, Mike's right. He's one of those guys like Doug Sloan and Humma Hah and Mike McMahon that always say the mature thing and give good advice.
I hang out here for the flames! Gimme a good troll any day!
Aug 2, 2001 5:31 AM
I ride my MTB on the road frankly because I can't afford a road bike. I don't see the need to get another bike when I already have one. Besides, I can put some miles on the road and get in shape. I live somewhat far from the trails, and often times only have an hour or so to ride. The trafic and potholes, in addition, don't make a road bike that good of a ride. On the weekends, though, I run to trails. You shouldnt see me on the road on a weekends. I can take my MTB on trails AND on the road; not something you can do with a road bike.
you are a bunch of elitist snobs!weezy
Aug 2, 2001 6:17 AM
can't you all get a freaking life? why is it that you have such low self esteem that you have to blast everyone out there who may not be in the same physical condition as you... or ride the same bike as you... or ride an inferior bike as you?? just mind your own freaking business and ride your bikes... and leave everyone else alone... and for God's sake get a freaking life!
And you need to take a deep breath!MikeC
Aug 2, 2001 7:13 AM
It looks to me like maybe three out of the thirty-seven postings in this thread (so far) demonstrate what you're ranting about. What's this "can't you all get a freaking life?" deal?
I say ban them!DaveG
Aug 2, 2001 8:09 AM
I think we should ban any type of bikes and riding that we disagree with. After all, we are the roadies, the only true type of cyclists. It is futile for others to to go up against what we determine is proper riding and equipment. Come to think of it, this line of reasoning also works well for religion, too.
Goes with their 4x4 SUV....grzy mnky
Aug 2, 2001 9:23 AM
....that never leaves the pavement. It's perfectly consistent and it comes down to image. People want to be seen as "extreme" so they get the trappings that say "Hey, look at me - I'm extreme!"
What else pisses you off?E3
Aug 2, 2001 10:01 AM
Sure, folks riding MtB on the road may look a little goofy sometimes, but you seem overly angry about it. Do you have other issues that you would like to share with the group?

Perhaps you should seek professional counseling or - even better - increase your road mileage and let your troubles just melt away.....
This one gets my votemike mcmahon
Aug 2, 2001 12:52 PM
for the silliest post of the summer. If taken in combination with the original poster's follow-up posts attempting to bolster his initial statement, it gets my vote for the silliest series of posts I've seen since I've been here.
Thanks guys...actuallyRaymond_105
Aug 2, 2001 5:04 PM
Actually, I'm not really mad or pissed off. I just wanted to start a thread I though would get a lot of responses...and wow, I sure did get a lot. You guys didn't have to attack me though. Anyway, now, you can attack me for putting up a 'silly' post.

Ride on.