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Anyone catch NPR this A.M.?(10 posts)

Anyone catch NPR this A.M.?grzy mnky
Jul 25, 2001 8:38 AM
While waking up slowly and listening to the radio, NPR had a bit on Lance and the TdF. The guy starts off by saying that Lance won his first TdF after battling cancer. Oppps. This was really just an intro for Frank Diford (sp?), the commentator from Sports Illustrated, to launch into an essay about drugs and doping in sports and cycling. He paints Lance as "guilty" by association. Nothing about the accomplishment and that if everyone is doing it how come this guy is still winning. Kinda funny, when Flojo died they went to great lengths to point out that in a sport filled with drugs how she had never tested positive. They didn't even bring up the fact that Lance has never tested positive and that he has been tested repeatedly.

I figure in about 2 more days the mainstream media will start fawning all over Lance, once his victory is a "sure thing". Nothing quite like America's short attention span or the willingness to jump on a bandwagon behind a winner.
Yeah, I heard it.AlexR
Jul 25, 2001 9:11 AM
Frank Deford is a not a hack and I normally find his weekly sports piece on ATC (or Morning Edition) interesting. Today's piece was cynical, but not without basis. It is legitimate to question how a clean rider can compete in a sport rife with very effective performance-enhancing drugs.

FloJo is another matter entirely. It would require some bulletproof idealism to believe she was an innocent.

Alex
Yeah, I heard it.grzy mnky
Jul 25, 2001 10:57 AM
Yes, I too like Frank's style and insight. Certinaly he's no hack and I look forward to his essays. He's got no problems gushing over Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan's accomplishments even though performance and other types of drugs are probably rampant. I understood and accepted his arguement about the drugs and the testing. Even if "everyone" is "doing it" what about the fact Lance came back from cancer and is ahead of all the other riders? My real beef was that they downplayed he and his team's accomplisments and painted him guilty. It's roughly akin to a Japanese national being the star quarterback of a winning Superbowl Team and focusing on Sake. Yet they gave FloJo the benifit of the doubt. Even her autopsy seemed to indicate that she may have been clean and they dutifully reported this. He did little more than jump on the bandwagon driven by the French press (not coffee). Do we have to wait for Lance's autopsy for him to get the recognition that he deserves? His peice was really about drugs in sport, Lance was just the medium to make his case.
re: Anyone catch NPR this A.M.?mackgoo
Jul 25, 2001 10:27 AM
Nope. I was riding my bike.
Doping Witch hunt?MeDotOrg
Jul 25, 2001 2:15 PM
...that's the way NPR headlines the story:

Doping Witchhunt
Sports Commentator Frank Deford says that worries over doping in athletics are getting out of hand when cyclist Lance Armstrong is accused of using drugs simply because he's good at his sport. (3:22)

...sounds like this is the exact opposite of your spin on the commentary...

http://search1.npr.org/search97cgi/s97_cgi?action=View&VdkVgwKey=%2Fopt%2Fcollections%2Ftorched%2Fme%2Fdata%5Fme%2Fseg%5F126402%2Ehtm&DocOffset=1&DocsFound=27&QueryZip=lance+armstrong&Collection=zeus&Collection=C1&Collection=WEB&SortSpec=Modified+Desc+Score+Desc&ViewTemplate=docview%2Ehts&SearchUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch1%2Enpr%2Eorg%2Fsearch97cgi%2Fs97%5Fcgi%3Faction%3DSearch%26QueryZip%3Dlance%2Barmstrong%26ResultTemplate%3Dsimplesearch2%252Ehts%26QueryText%3Dlance%2Barmstrong%26Collection%3Dzeus%26Collection%3DC1%26Collection%3DWEB%26SortSpec%3DModified%2BDesc%2BScore%2BDesc%26ViewTemplate%3Ddocview%252Ehts%26ResultStart%3D1%26ResultCount%3D10&
Doping Witch hunt?mike mcmahon
Jul 25, 2001 2:22 PM
The commentary wasn't as straightforward as the title and this blurb would indicate. If I recall correctly, he stated that the evidence against Armstrong was circumstantial but that it was a "compelling web of circumstantial evidence" or words to that effect. He concluded that we will probably ultimately resign ourselves to the fact that doping will always be present in sport and the governing bodies will permit doping, thereby creating a "level playing field." He compared the anti-doping efforts to the futile efforts to maintain amateur athletics.
Yeah, but does anybody believe athletes AREN'T doping?cory
Jul 25, 2001 4:24 PM
Seems to me we're ignoring something obvious here. I have a couple of neighbors, one an ex-college quarterback who's now a sports agent and one a physician who played big-time basketball in college. They're both about 50 and have been around athletes for 30 years. In several conversations over the last few years, they've said they believe the incidence of doping in big college/pro sports is virtually 100 percent.
They don't do cycling, but they've both worked with NFL and NBA players. In both sports, the pressure to do drugs is immense. A football player who's a natural 6'4", 240 can become a 270-280 pounder, with a lot more strength. And if one guy does it, everybody who plays against him or competes with him for a position has to do it, too--the difference between good and great is a percentage point, a tenth of a second here or there. So you do the drugs and hope for the best and take the million dollars, or you stand on principle and go back to selling men's wear in the mall.
I'm not supporting this. I'm sure we all wish cycling could be pure and wholesome and natural. But it's naive to think it is.
Sweet bikes...if they fit!!Cima Coppi
Jul 25, 2001 9:35 AM
Colnagos are the epitomy of classic Italian design and construction. Every frame is hand made and hand painted, hense the steep $$. All I can say is, if the stock geometry fits your build (Colnago's tend to have short top tubes vs. industry average), then I would not stop you from buying one. They do ride nice!!

CC
great deal on them at...keith m.
Jul 25, 2001 11:15 AM
sdeals.com. You can get a complete bike with campy chorus for $1780. Can you say CHEAP. They also sell the master-x-light complete with chorus group for the same price.
My Master X-Light brokeBrian C.
Jul 25, 2001 12:16 PM
During a routine shift, the rear derailleur snapped off, with a piece of the dropout. The LBS figures the chain must have become caught in the spokes somehow during the shift. Now, the frame has to go back to Italy for repairs, but the LBS is decking me out in a Classic in the meantime.
Until this unfortunate incident, which probably was a fluke and quite possibly could happen to any bike (?), this Master X-Light had performed flawlessly. It is the only consumer product I've ever bought that didn't have even a slight, annoying problem.