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FYI Y bottles are better than aeropaks(19 posts)

FYI Y bottles are better than aeropaksWoof the dog
Jul 23, 2001 6:38 PM
Okay, seems like I found another reason as to why you are better off with bottles on the frame. Hehehee, those dork mtn. bikers. J/K!!!
http://www.analyticcycling.com/actest/RiderAeroStudy.html
Or better yet, carry both - the pak and bottles. Oh wait, I got it...fill your aeropak with helium (or hydrogen?), maybe it will lift you up a little.

Since I am modifying my aerobars (that involves lots of cutting, filing, drilling, etc. etc. to get rid of extra material and obtain better airdynamic'ness') I was looking at a number of websites regarding drag and all this other aerodynamic stuff, and as a matter of fact I found some sites I have lost a long time ago...which are: bicyclesports.com and analyticcycling.com

For aerobars positioning, check out "technical" section on bicyclesports.com

P.S. Lets just hope all these tri kids are also looking through this message board.

Sincerely,
Woof the dog.
camelbaks safer than bottleskenyee
Jul 23, 2001 7:55 PM
If you have to keep riding w/o stopping to drink, Camelbacks let you keep your eyes on the road...
I'm going to guessmike mcmahon
Jul 23, 2001 8:44 PM
that most people here can keep their eyes on the road while grabbing and drinking from a water bottle. Removing a hand from the bar to reach for a bottle might create a safety hazard if you hit a bump.
how do you keep eyes on road while drinking?kenyee
Jul 24, 2001 5:58 AM
Granted, it's only for a few seconds, but that's enough sometimes...

Camelbaks do make my back sweat more though, but I also drink more often with it, as someone else mentioned, than I would w/ a bottle.
I never really thought about it until this messagemike mcmahon
Jul 24, 2001 6:43 PM
When riding today, I kept your question in mind. Knowing where the bottle is, it is easy enough to remove it from the cage without looking down. When you bring it up level to drink, it should be in a position where your eyes can still focus on the road. With this said, I did notice that I looked down very briefly every time I put the bottle back in the cage. Putting it back requires a more precise touch than removing it. However, the look down was very brief: no longer than it takes to check speed on the computer.
camelbaks safer than bottlesbarney
Jul 24, 2001 6:02 AM
only if you're a fred or squirrel
Camelbaks Stay Colder Than Bottlesslbenz
Jul 23, 2001 9:13 PM
Even though there may be an aerodynamic advantage with using bottles according to the article, Camelbaks definitely keep your water, ice cold much longer than your standard water bottle. Think about that during a very hot day. By the way, have you tried mountain biking with water bottles vs. a Camelbak? The Camelbak will always win because the water can be keep cooler or warmer much longer than your standard water bottle. Also, the Camelbak won't be as dusty or dirty vs. the water bottles and it has been proven in the mountain biking world that carrying the water on you is easier than having it on your bike for climbing and general overall bike handling. So I think that mountain bikers are not "dorks" at all.
Camelbaks Stay Colder Than BottlesSteveS
Jul 24, 2001 7:08 AM
I am with you. Living in a hot climate, I can have cold water for hours rather than it being warm in a few minutes. If all I was concerned about was a 10K ride, then bottles would be fine. For any kind of long distance ride in the heat, the Camelbak makes the bottles passe. It took a long time to convince my riding partner but when he made the switch, he wondered why he had waited so long to go to the Camelbak, it was so superior.
Cut, MaxChill Bottles stay really cool for a long time.boy nigel
Jul 24, 2001 10:58 AM
I did a review here a few days ago about the MaxChill Water Bottle. Search for it by name. It's a water bottle with a special soft, removable (for cleaning) shell on it. Once wet, the shell will evaporate the water it's holding to effectively cool the contents of the 24oz. bottle it's encasing. When I tested it, after 2-1/2 hours my water was still very pleasantly cool and drinkable. Performancebike.com sells them, among other mail-order places (and likely even at bike shops).

Maxchill.com.

Again, I don't work for them, but I just tried their product and am VERY happy with it.

Cheers,
Nige
That should've read "But MaxChill Bottles stay really cool..."nmboy nigel
Jul 24, 2001 11:00 AM
nm, just a self-correction.
re: FYI Y bottles are better than aeropaksmr tornado head
Jul 24, 2001 4:17 AM
OK, let's put it like this; Lst year, the word hour record was set with the lady wearing a hydration-pack thing. (Forgive me, I can not recall who it was off hand...).

I'll wear mine on and off the road. Less aerodynamic? Maybe. But I'll certainly stay hydrated.
Jeanie Longo nmLazy
Jul 24, 2001 6:57 AM
Bzzzt Wrong!!! Anna (Wilson) MilwardD'Ohhh!!!
Jul 24, 2001 7:04 AM
nm
D'ohh indeed. Thanks. nmLazy
Jul 24, 2001 8:02 AM
Just ride the bike.........Len J
Jul 24, 2001 4:58 AM
with whatever hydration method you choose. I find it hard to believe that the aero "Penalty" of a hydration pack is going to affect my "superhuman" 20mph ride. Give me a break. For most of the riders on this forum, the question is more about personal preferance & comfort. For me (personally), I drink more when I have a pack than I do when I just have bottles. Maybe it's easier, maybe I'm more comfortable, I don't know, but I have to believe that better hydration will do more for my performance than slightly better aero over a long ride. That's me though.

We've been through this bottles vs packs debate before, it ranks right up there with shimano vs campy in the emotion it seems to garner. Wonder why?
re: FYI Y bottles are better than aeropaksRusty McNasty
Jul 24, 2001 6:44 AM
Bottles move mass closer to the ground, thereby lowering your center of gravity. Also, I freeze my water bottle(s) for hot day rides-I imagine that a frozen camelbak would be rather lumpy, and might cause frostbite on your back.
plusJack S
Jul 24, 2001 7:18 AM
you can also toss the bidon at the guy that flicks you in the sprint to the line
The Tom Steels overhead method works great!(nm)J.S.
Jul 24, 2001 12:14 PM
NM
re: FYI Y bottles are better than aeropaksDutchy
Jul 24, 2001 6:09 PM
It make no difference which one you use! Bottles can be frozen, great in summer. Camel backs are more comfortable to drink from, on bumpy roads, downhills etc. I also put food, powerbars etc in my camelback it keeps it off my body. Yes powerbars will melt (go soft) it just takes longer. On long rides 100k/60miles I will take a Camel back and two bottles, where I live shops/petrol stations are sparse. It doesn't matter which ones you use.

The main reason pro's don't use them is because they have support vehicles.
CHEERS.

PS. Why are we talking about this? It's PERSONAL preference.