|No contest... It's the Conti||DrPete|
Jul 23, 2001 4:18 PM
|From a durability and puncture resistance standpoint, the GP3000 is head and shoulders above the Michelin. Both ride pretty nicely, but the GP3000s just last longer. I've had horrible experiences with the Axial Pro dying on me when the roads get a little rough. In fact, the Axial Pros that came on my bike lasted about 200 miles, but my GP3000s are turning 800 and still rolling like a dream.
Did I mention you should go with the conti? :)
|Not my experience||mike mcmahon|
Jul 23, 2001 4:22 PM
|I've gotten about 3000 miles out of my last two sets of Axial Pros. I spend a lot of time riding in urban and industrial areas with a lot of glass and other debris and have had fewer punctures with APs than any other tires. In my experience, their ride is second only to Vittoria Open Coras, but without all the flats.|
|No contest... It's the Conti||gwilliams|
Jul 24, 2001 1:47 AM
|I got 2700 miles out of my Axial Pros, I can still probably get another 500 out of the front. No problems with cutting, only one small pin hole flat the whole time. |
|re: Axial Pro or GP 3000?||tirider|
Jul 23, 2001 5:23 PM
|For me it's not a question of longetivity but ride quality... Conti GP 3000s have a lively ride quality similar to a good tubular unlike Axial Pros which to me feel decidedly dead. And GP 3000s stick like glue in the rain compared to Pros.|
|In my case...||Mike K|
Jul 23, 2001 7:07 PM
|I got a set of Axial Pro's (all black 23mm) a little less than 400 miles ago - so far 2 flats (one front, one rear) and a wasted rear (cut right though the casing) @ 384 miles (in addition to the flat).
I've never owned the Conti 3000 but I'm thinking about a pair - way two much fun in the last 2 weeks with the Axial Pro's.... Maybe its just my bad luck...
|AP's have done the job||dinky|
Jul 23, 2001 8:24 PM
|I have ridden my Axials over some funky stuff. Not just questionable shoulders but full-on off road. Living in the mean Texas countryside means occasionaly going offroad. I've rolled over glass in muddy, gravelly roads and kept on pedalling. I have about 1k on my tires and feel quiet lucky because I know that at times I am going where road tires weren't meant to go. When I hit good solid pavement again, the tires seem to shake off the gunk and get down to business. Either I got a good batch of rubber or others got bad batches. Either way, I recommend them highly.|
|AP over gp3000||johnrg|
Jul 24, 2001 3:16 AM
|My reason is purely because 3 sets of GP 3000's had serious issues with tread splitting. After one ride all the tires exhibited the trait. After switching to AP I have not had any tread splitting. I have to assume that Conti has not got both compounds expanding at the same rate or it may be the nature of their tread compound but splitting to such a degree is a flaw in my book. Michelin has me riding on their tires.|
|re: Axial Pro or GP 3000?||ColnagoFE|
Jul 24, 2001 7:08 AM
|I've been a long time Conti fan and have used the Ultra 2000s (formerly Super Sport 2000s) which are probably my fave training tire. Wears like iron and cheap. Spend a few extra $ for the folding though as the wire beads are hard to mount by hand. Grand Prixs are my fave all-around tire. Good for training and racing, nice and sticky in corners but a bit more $. GP 3000s are good, but don't wear as well as the standard GPs IMHO. Just put a set of Axial Pros on my new set of racing wheels so I'll let you know how they wear. They are nice and sticky though in the corners. Seem to ride very well.|
|For What It Is Worth...||Whatever|
Jul 24, 2001 3:21 PM
|I've am riding GP3000's, have not ridden the Michelins. Through 3 sets, I am getting around 800-1000 miles on the rear, then I rotate and continue riding the set until the fresh rear is ground up. I weigh 220, ride on mostly smooth roads with the normal amount of junk (occasional glass, etc.), and I do a fair amount of uphill grinding which I am convinced is rougher on the rear than smooth rolling because of the shearing action between the tire and the road. Flats only have been a problem when the tires get thin...there is some normal cutting and divoting on the surface of the tread, but nothing that threatens the life of tire or rider. I have experienced no delamination or other quality problems.
I assume that all of the colors they are making these days perform similarly...for what it is worth, these comments are based on two sets of skinwall/gray tread and one set of blackwall/yellow tread. I do find that the yellow rolls about 100% faster, probably because of all of the solar engergy reflected off of them that is converted into forward motion by the Bernoulli-Merckx effect:)
|My Axial Pros are great||Vlad the Impaler|
Jul 24, 2001 3:29 PM
|I've put 1300 miles on mine over all types of roads and have only had one flat. I'd definitely buy them again.|| |