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Best rain tires(9 posts)

Best rain tiresveloboy
Jul 20, 2001 9:39 AM
Hey,

I am sure this question has been posted before but I can't seem to find anything in the archives. I am looking for good tires for wet weather. I usually ride Michelin Axial Pros and like them when its dry but they suck when its wet. Like most tires I slide on corners but they really get me on climbs, especially when I come out of the saddle. They just slip under me and its dangerous at times. The tires are in good shape, there's just not tread.

Any suggestions for a different product? I am bigger than a lot of riders at 6' 187lbs (this morning - the weekend's coming). I am not looking to spend more than $30 on a tire either.

Any suggestions other than new tires are welcome as well.

Thanks,

Dave
Some say that slicks remain the best rain tires. Tread willbill
Jul 20, 2001 10:21 AM
help grab a rough or soft surface but not necessarily a hard and (relatively) smooth surface like asphalt, and the shape of bicycle tires, as opposed to car tires, squeezes water out of the way without tread. A car tire, presenting a flat, squared-off frontal contact point, needs tread to allow the water to get out of the way somehow, or it hydroplanes. A bicycle tire, however, presenting a cigar-shaped, pointed contact point, squeezes the water away without tread. Because the best contact point but for hydroplaning is the one that leaves the most rubber on the road, slicks are better than treads all the time, even in the rain.
Obviously, some manu's disagree (or are playing to fears/misconceptions), because I certainly have seen treaded tires marketed as better in the rain. I have found, though, that treaded MTB tires, for example, are flat out awful in the rain on the road as compared to slicks. I have tried a couple of treaded road tires, and, while I can't say that they're much different in the rain than slicks, one way or the other, they always sort of feel like crap. Even fairly expensive treaded road tires are noisy and not very cushy and sticky, like the best slicks. I prefer slicks, rain or no, and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I think you're dead right and I'll say so.Jofa
Jul 20, 2001 2:05 PM
I suspect you've read Jobst Brandt's comments on this subject recently... and good. I'll stick my neck out... slick tyres are the best for road bicycles, dry or wet conditions, period.
Grand Prix 3000?Marlon
Jul 20, 2001 10:38 AM
I'm trying a set in the dry, am loving them and their cornering, and I'll see what happens in the rain. I haven't tried Axial Pros yet, in dry or wet, but I've tried Vreds Fortezza Tri-Comps, Conti Ultra 2000, Michelin Axial Selects, Conti Sport 1000s, and Stradius.

Ultra 2000s I found were reasonably good in dry and wet, but the Vreds worked a bit better on both surfaces. Axial Selects and Conti Sport 1000s were pretty sketchy, I'd say that Conti had the slight edge, for all it's worth. The Stradius I rode a bit, and was pretty happy - similar to the Ultra 2000s, perhaps a bit lower in performance on both dry and wet.
re: Best rain tiresSawyer
Jul 20, 2001 12:27 PM
I've used IRC Paperlite Wet tires with good results. The only thing I don't like about them is that they wear down quite fast. My old Continental Sports was another good tire for wet riding. Too bad cause I've changed all my tires to Hutchinson Success Gold.
re: Best rain tiresLC
Jul 20, 2001 1:52 PM
Axial Pros are actually really good in the rain, and I have plenty of experience with rain in the NW. I think what you are experiencing is a first rain after a long dry spell. All tires will seem slick in these conditions. Believe it or not, what you want is a tire with the least tread that you can find. The only place tread will help you is off road. The more tread you have, the less rubber is on the road. The worst is a mountain bike tire because most will have nothing but sparse knobs when you lean into a corner.
the tires on your car(nm)KStone
Jul 20, 2001 1:59 PM
inflation of Axial ProsLuis
Jul 20, 2001 3:40 PM
I thought I saw a letter in Velonews a few months ago from Michelin suggesting that Axial Pros did better in the rain at 100 psi rather than the max of 110. Can anyone remember what the reason was?
re: inflation of Axial Prosjohnrg
Jul 21, 2001 9:46 AM
The reason is simply the tires were DESIGNED to work at certain pressures. Any tire overinflated will give a harsher ride and will not conform to the road surface. This become critical in rain. The article stated how the 25's were designed for the cobblestones in Paris Robaix and they include a subtle pattern to enhance grip on those stones which the plain tread did not grip as well. My suggestion is to ride at max pressure on smooth roads if you are large and ease up on the pressure if you are light and encounter rougher roads. Do not just inflate every tire at some rediculous pressure. Consult the manufacturer.