|Roadie Etiquette Dilemma||beeman|
Jul 20, 2001 9:03 AM
|There is a guy that I often pass by on a sweet new LeMond but has no helmet on and is wearing headphones. With all the other posts below about the need for roadies to be aware of thier surroundings, is there a tactful way to approach this guy and let him know the basic etiquette and safety pointers. Or should I just let him be and let him figure it out. Please advise.|
|leve him alone||Rusty McNasty|
Jul 20, 2001 9:20 AM
|It's his cranium, not yours. The only thing worse than an inattentive cyclist is a sactimonious one. Besides, he may be a kook.|
Jul 20, 2001 10:57 AM
|let Darwin's theory take care of him.|
|re: Roadie Etiquette Dilemma||jdl|
Jul 20, 2001 9:21 AM
|if he aint riding with you, leave him alone.
If you want to test his awarness, crawl up behind him in your car, than press the horn when your on him.
|re: It's a free country||Taylor_A|
Jul 20, 2001 9:26 AM
|and that mean that they have the right to do stupid things like that(unfortunately).
One of my mountain biking buddies refuses to wear a helmet. I bring an extra along and offer it everytime we ride, but he refuses. It is something that they have to learn on thier own (the hard way).
Headphones are a real problem, especially on crowded bike trails. It's not only the bikers, but the roller-bladers and joggers as well.
|more of a philosophical than cycling issue||Dog|
Jul 20, 2001 9:27 AM
|What's your outlook on life? Do you believe in paternalism, if it helps people, or libertarianism/individualism?
Just my opinion, but I figure every adult is entitled to make up his or her own mind. It's not like helmets were just invented and the guy wouldn't have a clue that they exist. He knows darn well what helmets are, where to get them, and why to wear them.
As for me, I think the best answer is to lead by example, and let it go at that.
By the way, that doesn't mean I'd ride *with* the guy without a helmet. That's my choice.
|So if Lance wasn't wearing his lid you wouldn't ride with him?nm||Doll Face|
Jul 20, 2001 3:13 PM
|If Lance wasn't wearing his lid, he wouldn't ride with me||Dog|
Jul 20, 2001 7:46 PM
|Besides, Lance and I would "ride together" for maybe 100 yards. Then he'd turn and give me a stare, and disappear.
Doug (I eat bratwurst, too) Sloan
|How about this one...||Thioderek|
Jul 20, 2001 10:04 AM
|I ride across the Brooklyn Bridge every morning on my way to work. Usually I am on the bridge by 7 in the am. Sometimes I take my time and hit the bridge at 9 in the am. Almost always, I run into people who are riding to work (I applaud them, hell with the subway, too crowded) with a helmet, but not on their heads. They always have it attached to their backpacks or slung over the handlebars or somewhere besides thier head. I assume it is not on their heads because they dont want to mess up their hair.
Why do they think that it is all right to not wear the helmet in the morning?
Riding home they have it on their heads. Doesnt make much sense to me. Save my brain on the way home but play russian roulette on the way to work.
I always ride by them and give them a "Doesnt do any good if its not on your head" comment. Ihave seen some people visibly shaken by this.
|How about this one...||cwa|
Jul 20, 2001 10:13 AM
|To each their own. Is there a bicycle helmet law in the state? If not, then it the rider's choice.|
|How about this one...||jschrotz|
Jul 20, 2001 1:31 PM
|I always see people riding with their helmets strapped to their handlebars, and my usual response is to say something like:
"Good thing you're protecting those handlebars, they look expensive."
|Why don't you pay attention to what you are doing...||Doll Face|
Jul 20, 2001 6:55 PM
|and let other people take care of their own business?|
Jul 20, 2001 10:42 AM
|I think it's good. There is a guy that I often see on my commutes that doesn't wear a helmet and in general displays poor riding behavior. I've thought about talking to him about it and showing him the right way to do things, but it occured to me that we are sadly in need of organ donors. I mean just think about it, where do all those young healthy kidneys, livers, retinas, and lungs come from. I say that it is a kinder thing to say nothing and do our felow man a favor.
1 dumb cyclist can help save around 5 other peoples lives.-Besides you never know when you are gonna need a kidney.;)
|different take||Woof the dog|
Jul 21, 2001 1:55 AM
|you and I both know quite well that its likely he will not help save 5 others by donating organs. I don't think you really meant it is good he will become a donor, but in case you did....that is just awefull and you should be ashamed of yourself.|
|re: Roadie Etiquette Dilemma||Rich Clark|
Jul 20, 2001 10:50 AM
|The only people on bikes I ever say anything to are those who pose a direct threat to me -- generally, wrong-way riders and red-light runners.
Trying to "educate" strangers is a good way to start a fight.
|re: Roadie Etiquette Dilemma||dave Woof|
Jul 20, 2001 2:40 PM
|I hate hate, hate, hate wrong way riders coming at me!!!! I yell at them to get their butts in the other lane!! I have to swerve or read their mind to see which way they will swerve !! aghh!!|
|re: Roadie Etiquette Dilemma||Len J|
Jul 20, 2001 10:52 AM
|Tough question. I agree with Doug that people have to make thier own decisions however let me share a personal experience. 10 or so years ago my regular route was shared periodically with another rider who didn't wear a helmet. We would always see each other, never really rode together & his lack of helmet bothered me but I never said anything, Not PC, didn't want to be a no-it-all, etc all the normal reasons. One Sat morning I came around a turn to a hugh commotion at the next intersection. You guessed it, he had been hit by a car & was pretty banged up (They choppered him out). I have always wondered wether He might have been less injured if I had at least tried to convince him to wear a helmet. I'll never know. Now if I see someone (especially more than once, I do ask them about it & share some war stories. If nothing else I hope it gets them thinking. I certainly sleep better knowing I've done what I could.
|Yes Edith, and you should approach the following persons as well||Doll Face|
Jul 20, 2001 11:05 AM
Let these people know how you feel about safety or health issues:
Fast Food Eaters,
Fat People at the Mall,
and People in SUV's.
Educate them all!
Most people have been riding bikes without helmets until the last 10 years or so. Their are alot more dangerous activities than riding a bicycle. I would never ride with a stereo, but what do you expect from a newbie on a LeMond?
|you forgot ....||mtnrogue|
Jul 20, 2001 11:26 AM
|political interns, especially all who work "under" democrats.
|A little subtlety?||LAIrish|
Jul 20, 2001 11:10 AM
|I'm a biiiig believer in helmets. They've saved my noggin a couple of times in serious fall-downs. But I don't impose it on others. (I've got a riding buddy who always takes his off when we're down at the beach so he can impress the chicks. I do a slow burn but don't say anything.)
If it's important to you, maybe try saying "hi" to this guy a couple of times, become sort of "nodding acquaintances." Then, one day, mention how you had a buddy fall/get hit/whatever right around "here" one day and (a) sustained serious head trauma resulting in a vegetable like existence until his unloving wife (who married him for his money anyway) pulled the plug so she could get the insurance money, (b) was saved from just such a fate by the fact that he was wearing a helmet. You get to make your point without seeming officious.
|I agree.||Jim Burton|
Jul 20, 2001 12:52 PM
|I think that a little subtlety is in order. I think, unlike others on this topic, that we have a resposibility for not only our own well being, but our fellow man's as well. There is a ginger way to approach this guy and say, "Hey, it might be a good idea to wear a helmet. We really need as many cyclists out there as possible. I would hate to see you as another statistic." He may take the advice, he may not. He may tell you to f*&k off. But, at least you have done something about it. In the very least, your conscience is clearer than before. But, do approach gently without patronizing him. That may make him NEVER wear a helmet.|
|re: Roadie Etiquette Dilemma- Follow him!!!||trijjj|
Jul 20, 2001 1:32 PM
|Follow him!!! If he crashes and in, say 5-10 minutes, nobody claims the bike, it YOUR'S! You'll be doing the family a favor by removing something that will just be a horrible reminder for them ;-)
Let him be. We have too many people/politicans already trying to tell what you should and shouldn't do.
|You ARE the weakest link, Goodbye!||Dog|
Jul 20, 2001 1:56 PM
|Just ride up to him and say that. :-)
|Lead by example?||Car Magnet|
Jul 20, 2001 1:58 PM
|If the guy doesn't want to wear a helmet and wear headphones, that's his business. Last time I checked, this was a free country. The same people who would crucify this guy are cheering Lance on when he doesn't even wear a lid all the time. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? How many times have you looked at your favorite mag and seen a pro not wearing a helmet? Pantani with a helmet? Never seen it. So don't blast the guy when the top people in our own sport don't set an example.|
|Lead by example?||dave Woof|
Jul 20, 2001 2:44 PM
|And don't forget, more people are killed by head injuries IN automobiles than other types of injuries. Please be sure and tell drivers to wear a helmet as well.|
|Fly over to China pal.||Doll Face|
Jul 20, 2001 3:11 PM
|More cyclists there than any place on earth, and none of them wear helmets. They need your help!
I hope you wear your helmet in your car, as well as on your bike!
|wait a minute...||Spiderman|
Jul 20, 2001 3:44 PM
|I would probably just ignore the guy without the helmet but why should we sit here a talk about him while he puts his life in danger. There are ways of approaching him that are not intrusive in anyway. If i saw someone on the street smoking 10 cigarettes at the same time, they aren't doing anything WRONG or ILLEGAL, but as a fellow human being i would mention that it may not be the healthiest thing to do. I may not say anything to the smoker or the helmet-less dude, but i would at least feel bad about not doing anything. What if the second you passed him, he hit a patch of gravel and went off his bike head first into a tree. Should you have said something to him earlier which could have prevented this???|
|wait a minute...||Steve R|
Jul 20, 2001 4:19 PM
|I have read all the posts in this thread and so far, not one time has anyone said that a helmetless, radio wearing rider has come up to them and told them how to dress or ride. Also no mention of requests for companionship. Maybe we should just mind our own business. Everyone has a right to choose. If they ask to ride with you, just say no. Otherwise, say hi or nothing.|
|Maybe like tell him to watch out for gravel dude. nm||Incredible Edible Hulk|
Jul 20, 2001 5:17 PM