|broke my ten speed chain....what do i do now...buy campy ?||ishmael|
Jul 15, 2001 9:10 AM
|do i have to get another campy one, they seem to brake often (julio perez from the giro de italia)...ive heard of using a sachs at the chain exit (thats where mine broke)...how do you care for a chain anyway, ive been coating in slick 50 and then rubbing off as much as i can every 100 miles or so..i want to deal with this now so i can ride tonight, what is the longest lasting and safest solution to this problem|
|re: broke my ten speed chain....what do i do now...buy campy ?||seamus|
Jul 15, 2001 10:14 AM
|Yes, get another Campy. They absolutely WILL break at the EXT link if you or your shop doesn't use the specific Campagnolo tool to install the PermaLink. A lot of shops don't have the tool because they don't think it's really necessary.
Those shops are usually the ones with a lot of reported 10speed chains.
I've been riding on two different 10-speed bikes for a year now, with no troubles. I just went ahead and bought the Campy tool.
|they don't break often...||C-40|
Jul 15, 2001 11:17 AM
|If the permalink is properly installed with the campy tool, it's not prone to breakage. The early model permalinks do suffer from premature wear on the pins. These permalinks get pretty loose after 2500 miles. Newer model permalinks are not supposed to suffer from this problem.
You can install a new campy permalink as a permanent fix. Just be sure to use the campy tool. If you don't use the campy tool, you can't complain about failures. It's not likely that the chain is stretched, if you've been applying slick 50 every 100 miles. Check it to be sure, before spending $13 for a new permalink. If the chain is close to 1/16" stretch in 12", get a new one.
A SRAM powerlink or a single link from any 9 speed chain can be used as a temporary fix.
|re: broke my ten speed chain....what do i do now...buy campy ?||GregJ|
Jul 15, 2001 11:31 AM
|I believe Perez was on a Shimano equipped bicycle.
You can replace the Perma-Link with a new one, you do not need a new chain unless yours is excessivily worn. There have been numerous problems with the perma-link. Mine wore out around 1k, and a buddy had his break during a ride and had to hitchhike home.
I have decided to run my ten-speed setup without the perma-link. CAMPY DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS PRACTICE, however, I have opened and closed my chain twice with a conventional chain tool, I have had no problems and currently have 4k on the chain and it is probably ready to be replaced. If you do decide to bypass the perma-link you must be very careful when closing the chain as the plates are thin and there is very little margin for error.
Isn't slick 50 something for adding to automobile crankcases? Try using Tri-flow to lubricate your chain. Apply and wipe off excess every 50 to 100 miles. Tri-flow will get dirty so periodically you will need to wipe off the cassette and chainrings, pulleys and maybe once during the life of the chain take it off and clean it in solvent.
There are other lubricants that can be used, waxes, paint thinner and motor oil mix, Finish line. I was very unimpressed by my friends home brew of thinner and oil, it was pretty much gone in one ride. Also the dry waxes seemed to build up around the pulleys something fierce, I have always come back to Tri-flow.
Woof the Dog posted an excellent treatise on chain lubrication a while back. Maybe he could put that link up again.
|re: broke my ten speed chain....what do i do now...buy campy ?||JohnG|
Jul 15, 2001 1:11 PM
|Definately use the Campy chain! The other will "work" but not optimally. Campy has suposedly fixed the problem with the PL's so I wouldn't be too afraid of using them.
Standard answeer: Use the PL.
Non-standard answer: Put the chain together without the PL. You must have a good shop chain tool (NOT the cheapy type) to do this install.... and a good "eye". If done 'properly' (I.e. very-very small pin extension through the side plates) the chain will work just fine. Works for me and I'm starting to collect a PL's. One of these days I'll put them on the classified board. ;)
|re: broke my ten speed chain....what do i do now...buy campy ?||spindry|
Jul 16, 2001 5:54 AM
|Julio Perez uses Shimano. If he broke a campy chain then it's his own fault for using a Campy 10 chain with Shimano gearing :)|
|That was a SHINMANO chain at the Giro.||ColnagoFE|
Jul 16, 2001 7:41 AM
|other than the early permalinks i've heard little problems with the 10s chain other than cost. sachs is supposedly coming out with a 10s chain soon.|| |