|Don't pimp the jersey||mr_spin|
Jul 11, 2001 3:24 PM
|That's the expression a buddy of mine uses when we do an organized ride and we see riders on the course wearing the official jersey. You gotta finish the ride before you can wear the jersey!
At the Deathride this Saturday I fully expect at least one-third of the riders to pimp the jersey. If this includes you, think twice. Wear another jersey and earn the right to wear your event jersey!
|word! this always bothers me at rides & concerts NM||Haiku d'état|
Jul 11, 2001 3:33 PM
|I don't get it||Dog|
Jul 11, 2001 4:31 PM
|What if you finished it before? Some events sell the same jersey from year to year.
I'll be at the Death Ride in my Terrible Two jersey, which I earned (the right to purchase) last week. That cool?
|You get it||mr_spin|
Jul 11, 2001 4:59 PM
|Anything you earned, wear with pride.
If it's the same every year, that's an exception. It's also boring.
|In all seriousness, though...||Dog|
Jul 11, 2001 5:21 PM
|How big a deal is this, really? Shouldn't anyone be encouraged to wear anything they darn well please? It's not like someone is sneaking in a yellow Credit LyonNaise jersey (which you can buy: http://www.letour.fanavenue.com/Catalogue/index.asp?pratique=d&p=250 )nto the Tour de France peloton (which is probably punishable by death in France).
You sound like this jersey business is taken much too seriously. It's the riding, and the people, that count, isn't it?
|All I'm saying is...||mr_spin|
Jul 11, 2001 6:18 PM
|...if you earned it, wear it with pride. That's part of my personal code, which I do take seriously. If I can't make it up the last 10 feet of Carson Pass, I won't wear the jersey. If I can't make it back to Turtle Rock, I won't wear the jersey.
But it's not like I'm going to yell at you or stick my pump in your wheel if I see you wearing the jersey during the ride. Do your own thing. My personal code is just that--mine. But how hard is it to wait one more day to pull that thing over your head? You can still get all the possible enjoyment out of the riding and the people! Just one more day!
By the way, I'll bet that no pro would ever wear a yellow jersey or word champion jersey or any other special jersey that they didn't earn. They take that stuff very, very seriously.
Jul 11, 2001 5:56 PM
|Well, you can also buy the DR jersey witout even doing the ride - or maybe you do just a couple passes. At least they do change it each year. |
I kinda liked the fact that both the Terrible Two and the Climb to Kaiser only sold the jersey to successful completions. Now it seems that the Fresno Cycling Club will sell the C2K jersey to any one. They just cheapened the ride and made the TT jersey more meaningful. Maybe Doug Sloan can talk to the club president, but I'm guessing it's a cost/volume issue.
So Doug, how did you like that last little climb up Ft. Ross?
|Fort Ross, etc.||Dog|
Jul 11, 2001 6:20 PM
|That whole ride was freakin hard. No two ways about it. It felt like doing C2K twice, at least the mountain portion. Plus, I'm just not a great climber. I make up all my time on the descents and flats. That one had a lot of climbing.
I was next to two guys who got off and stopped to rest about 2/3's of the way up Ft. Ross. Saw another guy walking his bike in his sock feet. These were guys that were in the top 30 riders 150 miles plus into the ride, too.
Did you read my internet story on my ride? It's at http://www.midcalracing.com/terribletwo.htm
I agree. There ought to be a "finishers'" jersey. It's an incentive to finish. For Fresno CC, this might backfire. I could envision them selling *fewer* jerseys, as it won't mean as much.
|Fort Ross, etc.||grz minky|
Jul 11, 2001 6:43 PM
|Doug- Great write-up on the TT! It sounds similar to my experience, except for such a great finishing time - I was right around 16:00 total and 14:00 riding (very spent at the lunch stop and Monte Rio so I hung out a bit to regroup). I was literaly blown off the road by a logging truck along the coast - one of my more scarey riding experiences. One of my buddies had a nasty crash last year and you guys probably read and were warned about reckless riding. |
The point about excess testosterone and not being able to relax on the descents is very true. Found that I was pretty spent for days after the ride.
Interesting to hear that you also confirm that the TT is harder than the C2K. I often hear this debated and will find out for myself on 7/28. The heat factor is what worries me the most - I melt in high temps.
Big Creek is measured at 17% (my wife's dad was a civil engineer for CalTrans and actually measured it) I think that some of the TT pitches hit 19%, but are not as sustained. Just logging roads that happened to get paved for some reason...
Jul 11, 2001 9:51 PM
|I always have a blast on the descents. I do so much of the really hairy descents around here that I'm pretty comfortable, but careful. A man's got to know his limitations - you know? I almost never cross the center line, either, unless I know I can see ahead. That's where people get into big trouble on twisty mountain descents.
Highway 1 had some traffic, but otherwise was very enjoyable. A tailwind, cool temps, and no climbs. I think I might have averaged over 25 mph down 1. That was fun.
Big Creek *averages* 17%, but flattens out quite a bit near the top. The steepest portions, according to my computer and my legs, are over 20%. In total, the steep parts of the hill go on for about 2 miles.
Don't worry much about the heat. It starts at 5:30 in the morning, and by the time it might get hot, you are up over 5,000 feet elevation, and spend the better part of the day between 5,000 and 9,200 feet. Actually, it's sort of cold above 7,000 feet. It does get hot on the way back, where you hit a wall of heat around 3,000 feet dropping down from Alder Springs to Auberry. At this point, it's about 35 miles to finish, but mostly downhill. Fill up on plenty of water at the Shaver Lake stop on the way down.
The tough aspect of C2K, really, is the concentration of climbing. It actually has 12,000 feet of climbing in 65 miles. Not too many places have that, short of Haleakala, which I think has 10,000 feet in 35 miles. With that concentration of climbing, it makes it hard to eat, for your blood is in your legs, and your stomach doesn't do well pushing a 90% heartrate for hours straight. But, if you don't force yourself, you'll bonk big time by the time you get up Big Creek to Huntington Lake.
By the way, take you time up that hill. I've seen guys charge up it in their 23 cog, standing from the bottom, who I passed back half way up while they were puking on the road. It's tough, and like I said, if you didn't eat sufficiently on the way up, you'll suffer.
If you come into town earlier, give me a buzz. Also, I've got an extra room, too.
Jul 12, 2001 10:11 AM
|I call the guys on the TT with TT Jerseys REPEAT OFFENDERS.
If I really feel self abusive I wear my TT jersey during off-season rides when I haven't trained for the last month.
|all these jersey issues||Dog|
Jul 12, 2001 10:51 AM
|I never imagined all the jersey issues. I knew people bagged on the pro jersey imitators, but event jerseys? I can see taking pride in the fact that you earned the right to wear one, that non-finishers shouldn't wear a "finishers'" jersey, but even then, so what? What's the use of earning one if you can't wear it? Is the rule that you can only wear it in training or at another event? Only on your trainer in the garage?
Maybe someone could set out for us the complete jersey protocol. I think I must be a bit naive here. I'd hate to think I was offending people needlessly.
Jul 12, 2001 1:12 PM
|This thought process is maybe too literal? Following the original "logic" thread, does this mean that folks shouldn't wear a pro sports team replica jersey because they don't play for the Red Sox (for example) or that we can't wear an LL Bean barn coat because we don't own a barn and so on and so on? Maybe I'm the one who is too literal, but geez it's just a shirt for cry-eye. Live & let live, we shouldn't feel compelled to earn or justify a piece of clothing. RANT ALERT, SORRY!|
|Fort Ross, etc.||oldster|
Jul 12, 2001 6:31 AM
|There ought to be a "finishers'" jersey
Back in the day, alot of rides used give out patches... but then they apparently became passe' and, as you allude to, the demand and economics of overpriced jerseys kicked in
|Don't squeeze the Charmin either!||Mr. Whipple|
Jul 11, 2001 10:23 PM
|Someone will have to use that to wipe their ass!|
|Keep your eye on the donut, not the hole (NM)||JohnnyA|
Jul 12, 2001 9:42 AM
|Hmmm... never thought about that before||moneyman|
Jul 12, 2001 10:00 AM
|Makes a lot of sense to me. I'll be riding the Triple Bypass on Saturday. Most other rides I have no doubt about finishing, but this one nags me a bit. I'll hold the jersey til Sunday.