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TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questions(9 posts)

TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsmtnhigh
Jul 6, 2001 11:24 PM
Lurker here sorry to drop another newbie bomb but I'm getting close to getting a new bike and it's coming down to the finer details and I'd really appreciate some experienced advice...

I'm shopping in the 1000-2000 (poss a little more) range.
I'm 155lb, 5'9'' 27 yr old male.
Typical rides are 1/2 - 2 hour training fun rides with longer rides 3 times a month.
I live in a REALLY mountainous area (climbing is not avoidable!)
I want to race, use the bike for triathlon TT also.

I've ridden many bikes for as long as the lbs would let me (about an hour) and all of the quality bikes made with these materials all seem to be comfortable and not noticably different. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to check out a bike for a month? anyway based on my info any thoughts on which will be the best choice? Bikes i've been looking at include:

TI - mongoose/douglas
7005 - bianchi/fuji
853 - lemond/jamis
columbus - marin

among others... whatever i get will be ultegra or daytona level gruppo. Any suggestions? or anything really worth checking out in complete setup in this price range or frame/fork ($1000 or less).
Thanks for all your thoughts, you people are the heart and soul of the bike community and have given me quite an education since I started folllowing your threads...
re: TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsTi guy GPX
Jul 6, 2001 11:41 PM
Stuff the cheap ShimaNO crap parts, not worth the bother later in life with worn out parts and sloppy feel from the start. Barf, JapCrap. Don't fall to the dark side... Buy the Campy Daytona level or higher. As for the frame, cheapo Ti or great steel, hmmm, I would do the steel anyday. The Lemond is the best of the mentioned group of frames. Best bet, a custom frame builder like Hot Tubes (and many others) custom made, custom paint, $1100 to $1200 for the frame (www.hottubes.com). Total price, ready to roll, about $2000 depending on the wheels.
also interested in thoughts on Gunnar 853 framesmtnhigh
Jul 6, 2001 11:45 PM
also interested in thoughts on Gunnar 853 framesmike mcmahon
Jul 7, 2001 3:37 PM
I've never ridden one but have heard from more than one source that the Gunnar HotDog is a great bike at a great price. A Gunnar is posted in the Photo Gallery. Here's the link:

http://gallery.consumerreview.com/roadbike/gallery/files/Dsc00011.asp

The owner may be able to provide you with more details on the frame. Happy shopping.
re: TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsJim S.
Jul 7, 2001 12:08 AM
You might want to look at www.curtlo.com. You could get a custom OX platnum steel (true temper's version of 853) frame wtih daytona build kit for under $2000.
re: TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsjschrotz
Jul 7, 2001 9:07 AM
I've got to second Jim's suggestion to check out Curtlo's True Temper OX Platinum bike. I just got an OX Platinum bike (from a diff. builder though), and the ride is outstanding. Comfortable, but still very stiff. Pair it with a good carbon fork and you'll wonder why anyone spends so much on Ti.
re: TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsgobe
Jul 7, 2001 12:45 AM
My roomate last year got an excellent deal on a Mongoose rx10.9 (under $2000!) w/ full D-A and carbon fork. I've spent a bit of time on the bike, and am way impressed.

On the contrary, I ride a Lemond Reno (entry level) and happen to love how this steel frame rides... even if it is "lower end." IMO, it is only hampered by a little deadweight from lower level components.

I think either steel or ti will give you that magical ride you are looking for, but if you can find the right fit in your price range I think ti is a beautiful thing!

Good luck!
re: TI vs. 853 vs. 7005 vs. Columbus feel questionsJon Billheimer
Jul 7, 2001 9:16 AM
There are two things I would consider if I were you. First, pick the best climbing bike of the lot since you live in a very hilly area. That would mean the best combination of weight and stiffness. So you might lean toward an aluminum frame. Second, how much triathloning and time trialing are you going to do? If this is a significant element of your riding you might consider something like a Cervelo One or a Cervelo P2K. However, the P2K is heavy for a climbing bike. Probably too specialized too. Their advantage is that with their reversible seatposts you can customize your geometry from road to tri on the same bike. Another good alternative would be Marinoni's alu frames. You can specify custom geometry with the Marinonis. For pure climbing performance and handling, you probably can't beat the C'dales either. The ti and steel guys will disagree with these recommendations because of the ride quality of the respective frame materials. However, just some thoughts. Also, I wouldn't go with anything less than Ultegra componentry. Good luck. Bike shopping is BIG fun.
I just went through this a week ago.K1dude
Jul 7, 2001 2:38 PM
You may have seen the message thread I started. I got great feedback from people here. I don't imagine you'd go wrong choosing any of the bikes you mentioned. You might want to wait a month or two for the 'after season' sales to start though. I imagine you could save big bucks.

I was looking for a 2001 bike in the same $1,000 to $2000 price range for my wife (5'8", 123 lbs.). We narrowed it down to:

1. Airborne Zepplin Triple (Ti) $1910
2. Lemond Zurich Triple (853) $1700
3. Trek 5200 (Carbon) $2200
4. Cannondale R1000 Triple (Al) $1399

Our impressions of each are as follows:

The Airborne Zepplin seems to be an unbelievable deal for titanium with full Ultegra. The problem is finding a dealer where you can try one. We would've had to have driven about 4 hours to get to a dealer. Since this was our first road bike purchase, we were uncomfortable with buying mail order based on our limited knowledge of geometry and sizing. If we were expert bikers and knew exactly what we liked and disliked about geometry and sizing, we would've ordered one online. We passed on the Airborne due to our inexperience. There was also a matter of timing which I'll explain in the next paragraph.

The Lemond Zurich seemed to be an in-between bike. A reportedly supple ride compared to most, but also a pound or more heavier. My wife really couldn't tell that much difference between the suppleness of the rides regarding the different materials. But she liked the feel of the bike and the smoothness of the componentry. It also comes with a triple and a 12-25 cassette. This was very important to us because we're surrounded by mountains like you. I actually wish it came with a 12-27. Maybe we'll upgrade later. This is the bike she wound up choosing for herself. It was actually by default though. She wanted the bike for a ride coming up next week and we couldn't find a Cannondale R1000 in her size and color choice in stock anywhere. It would require a two week turnaround that we couldn't afford or she'd miss her ride. So we chose the Lemond because it was in stock. She loves it.

The Trek 5200 was also a nice bike. But since she couldn't really tell that much difference between the ride of carbon and the other materials, we decided it was too expensive for an undetectable difference. Like you, she wished she could've tested each bike over a longer period of time to expose the differences. She also felt a bit too stretched out on the Trek. But perhaps the seat was pushed too far back or a different stem would've taken care of that.

The Cannondale R1000 seemed light and responsive. She thought it accelerated nicely. I assume that was probably a function of lighter weight. It was also priced well (on sale). A couple of drawbacks though. It only comes with a 12-23 cassette. We'd definitely have it changed out for a 12-25 or 12-27 for hill-climbing if we had bought it. It also had some 105 components mixed in. I wish it had been full Ultegra. Also the test bike had some shifting problems that turned her off. The shop couldn't seem to fix the problem. But because of the great sale price, we would've chosen this bike if one had been available in stock in her size and color.

I don't know if this long winded message helped you or not. Hopefully it did.