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gruppo upgrade(13 posts)

gruppo upgrademobil1
Jul 6, 2001 9:18 AM
I recently purchased my first road bike with Campy Daytona 9 speed gears and a double crank. Is it worth upgrading to the Daytona 10 speed setup? Being new to road biking, the hills give me a challenge. Thanks.
re: gruppo upgradeMart
Jul 6, 2001 9:23 AM
Depends how much you feel you need the other gear and how much money you have to spend. I personally wouldn't bother as you would probably have to spend quite a bit on new levers etc.
re: if you are looking for hill relief...Horace Greeley
Jul 6, 2001 9:40 AM
it would be more cost effective to change your cassette. I don't know what the gearing options are on the 10spd, but by going to the extra cog you may not be getting the hill gearing you are looking for.
change cassettesWadeOmatic
Jul 6, 2001 9:41 AM
I'm not a familiar with the technical aspects of Campy cogs, but I think you'll be better off (much cheaper) to change your 9-speed cassette to another one with larger gears.

I would not upgrade a 9 speed to a 10 (gain of 2 gears), but would upgrade a double to a triple if necessary (gain of 8-9 gears).

Keep pounding the hills. Anybody can ride the flats.
Daytona 9->10Cliff Oates
Jul 6, 2001 9:47 AM
Probably the only parts you absolutely need are a new indexing disc for the right hand shifter, a new cassette, and a chain. In examining Campy's spares catalog, other differences between Daytona 9 and 10 include

Different large chainring (sits a hair closer to the small ring)
Different derailleur pulleys
Different index adjusting screw for rear derailleur
Plastic insert for front derailleur cage

Installing the disc in the shifter would probably challenge the heck out of your LBS. Vecchios and Branford Bike are both experienced in performing this work.

However, if you're just new to riding, I'd give yourself time to develop your strength. If you really need lower gears, there are 9 speed 13-28 and 13-26 cassettes available from Campy that are a far easier change than going to 10 speed.
Daytona 9->10Spiderman
Jul 6, 2001 10:00 AM
you also might need a need new freehub on your rear wheel. It can get pricey. to upgrade you will need
freehub, chain, cassette, chainrings, shifters, all of which will run you at least 2-300 dollars. you might need ( i am not positive) new bottom bracket, front derallieur. it will get pricey, the best bet is to put a larger cassette on (12-27) or something.
Daytona 9->10Cliff Oates
Jul 6, 2001 10:20 AM
The spline patterns for Campy 9 and 10 speed cassettes are identical and can be interchanged freely on the same hubs. 12-27 is a Shimano cassette. 13-26 or 28 are the larger cassette sizes available from Campagnolo.

Bottom bracket, front derailleur? I'd be really interested to know specifically why you think those need to be replaced.
Daytona 9->10Spiderman
Jul 6, 2001 2:53 PM
well the freehub because the 10 cassette i believe is wider than the 9, not for the spline pattern. also i wasn't sure, but i would think a BB because the chainrings are diff. widths than an 9 speed to accomodate the narrower chain, and now that i think about it, the FD would probably be fine.
Daytona 9->10Cliff Oates
Jul 6, 2001 3:10 PM
The spline patterns for Campy 9 and 10 speed cassettes are identical and can be interchanged freely on the same hubs.

I thought my comment about freehub compatibility was fairly unambiguous. Guess not. 9 and 10 speed cassettes may be freely interchanged on all current Campy hubs. There is also no need to go to a wider bottom bracket spindle, even if you go to a triple crank -- that's the way Daytona is.
Daytona 9->10mackgoo
Jul 6, 2001 5:30 PM
There is a little plastic shim doo hickey that needs to be installed on the fd to magicaly change it from the 9-10, at least that's the way it is for Record. It is correct the 9/10 speed hubs are the same. i think that's why the chain is narower.
re: gruppo upgraderoadcyclist
Jul 6, 2001 5:12 PM
I don't know about the 9 spd stuff, but I'm shopping for a Daytona 10 spd equipped bike so I've done a fair amount of research on 10 spd cassettes. Daytona (10 spd)offers 2 cassettes that would be of use to you, a 13-26 and a 13-29. The 2001 Daytona 10 speed rear der. handles both of these. Campy also makes a Chorus (10 spd) rear der. that can handle the 13-29, it's the medium cage der. The 10 spd cassettes DEFINITELY fit on your current 9 spd wheels. Is the expense, time and trouble worth the upgrade? Only you know the answer to that. Good luck.
re: gruppo upgrademackgoo
Jul 6, 2001 5:26 PM
You say your new to the road. Keep riding the hills will get easier. Stay with what you have for now.
re: gruppo upgrademobil1
Jul 9, 2001 7:20 AM
Thanks to everyone for their advice. I think for the meantime, I will stick with my existing setup and work on the hills.
Mobil 1.