|pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||Ron Cameron|
Jun 30, 2001 2:25 PM
|I would like to get back on the road after cycling a fair bit in my youth and mountain biking now. I'm interested in buying a bike with great form as well as function. I'm tending toward steel and classic Italian / European styling.
I haven't seen much written about the vuelta. Both of these frames cost about the same.
Any thoughts? opinions?
|re: pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||Lone Gunman|
Jun 30, 2001 5:49 PM
I am a fan of the Italian steel frames but am currently riding a Lemond Zurich, 853 steel and at one time, arguably, the most sought after steel frame stateside. So my next frame will be Italian steel. I put out a post a few weeks ago asking about 3 frames in particular, Fausto Coppi, Pinarello, and Gios. The responses I got back were steering me every direction except what my choices were. Lots of nice Italian steel frames out there, Colnago, Casati, Cramerotti, Tomassini, on and on... Some are just works of art too pretty to ride and sweat on. I had a race guide from the Giro that listed teams and the frames they rode 2 on Pinarello, 2 on Gios (sold by Excel of Colorado, full Campy Chorus @ $1995) 1 on Colnago and the rest of the teams on a variety. It was suggested by posters that the 2 more popular frames I liked were there solely because of sponsorship. I think is gets down to splitting hairs when you get to that level of quality and paint job and art work takes over the final decision. Good luck, I don't think you would go wrong with the frames you like.
|re: pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||ron c|
Jun 30, 2001 11:03 PM
That's it exactly! Functional art, craftsmanship etc. Thanks for the advice.
|Talking to Gary Hobbs?||DCW|
Jun 30, 2001 6:29 PM
|I notice that Gary Hobbs has both frames in stock and that the seat tube/top tube measurements are the same for the 55. He can tell you whether there are any geometry differences. The steels are different but that's probably imperceptible to the rider. My Guerciotti Neuron rides great, very lively and comfortable, so I can vouch for it so long as it's well fabricated. Cinelli and Pinarello make some great bikes, so if Gary is building it up, you can count on good alignment and build, with solid advice. I also have been very happy with the Campy Chorus 10-speed, which I'd recommend to everyone, especially those with Italian steel.|
|Talking to Gary Hobbs?||ron c|
Jun 30, 2001 11:07 PM
Very perceptive. I haven't talked yet...but have certainly checked out the site. Chorus was definitely part of the plan.
Thanks for the advice and prompt reply.
|I would buy the Cinelli.||Doll Face|
Jun 30, 2001 9:14 PM
|Cinelli is now owned by the producers of Columbus tubing.
The quality of the paint and chrome is great. It is a distinctive frame, but not too loud. A real classic. For the same money the Cinelli seems to offer more than the Pinarello (especially if the Pinarello is lacking that famous Cinelli bottom bracket lug.)
Cinelli has been making the Super Corsa forever. The Vuelta has come and gone.
For geometry specs see www.cinelli.it and www.cbike.com
|I would buy the Cinelli.||ron c|
Jun 30, 2001 11:12 PM
Thanks for the info; your point is well taken. I think the Vuelta was produced in 1999 but I can't find a trace of it anywhere.
|I would buy the Cinelli.||David Feldman|
Jul 1, 2001 10:54 AM
|If you've looked on Gary Hobbs' website, stick with steel but look beyond Italian; he sells spec-built frames by Jeff Lyon and Landshark.
Both are excellent builders, Lyon in every type of design and Landshark in a pure racing design. Landshark is also one of the most artistic and imaginative painters out there.
|re: pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||Zinhead|
Jul 1, 2001 11:05 AM
|I was looking at a Vuelta at Gary's site before I got a great deal on a Litespeed. Between the two, I would get the Pinarello, particularly if it has the newer paint scheme which is really nice. The Vuelta was Pinarello's last traditionally lugged steel frame and was discontinued in 1999. Now Pinarello is specializing in Aluminum or hybrid carbon construction. I have seen several newer Cinelli's, and the craftmanship and paintwork is mediocre at best. They really have little in common with the older, legendary Cinelli's.|
|re: pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||Lone Gunman|
Jul 1, 2001 6:34 PM
Steel in pinarello is the Opera, comes in blue or silver @ $1850 I think @ www.cbike.com
Jul 1, 2001 11:32 PM
|My recommendation is to get the Pinarello Vuelta. I have been riding a Pinarello Gavia since 1994 and absolutely love the bike. My Gavia model is very similiar to the Vuelta. Same basic lug design, geometry, fork, chroming, paint, etc. The difference is that the Gavia uses a TSX tubeset instead of the Vuelta's EL-OS or Deda OS tubeset.
My Pinarello is a great riding bike. Balanced, comfortable, fast, good looking, good chrome, excellent and durable paint. After 7 years and about 30,000 miles of riding, the bike still looks and rides like new. I have since bought a few other bikes, but have never sold nor quit riding my Pinarello regularly. It is the benchmark that I use to judge all other bikes. Highly recommended.
|re: pinarello vuelta vs. cinelli super corsa||TommyBoy|
Jul 2, 2001 10:42 AM
|I ride the Cinelli Supercorsa and love it. It rides so smoothly, and definitely has that classic Italian steel look. The frames are beautifully made in solid colors. In my mind, it doesn't get much better.
|re: how to dress an Italian beauty||Ron c|
Jul 2, 2001 10:45 PM
|Thanks for all of the informative replies (Pinarello vs Cinelli.)
Now, how to dress one of these Italian beauties. Campy Daytona or Chorus 10 speed is probably in the works. My next biggest hurdle is the wheelset. Our roads are in reasonable shape, very twisty and hilly. I weigh 175 lbs. and I think I need something relatively stiff, yet I don't want something that is going to be out of whack after every ride. I would also like to avoid a look that is too hi tech if possible.