|Red Meat and cycling...Definitely not a good match...||Lou M|
Jun 30, 2001 9:26 AM
|I learned this lesson the hard way...I read an article about a cyclist leading the TDF going into the last stages in the 50's (I believe, don't recall the name) The night before one of the last stages he had a steak to celebrate and he completely struggled the next day and lost his lead. Knowing this and trying to stick to carbs, I was against eating a steak last night for dinner. My wife insisted hat I need proteins (she has been reading one of Suzanne Sommer's books or somthing). Against my wishes I had the steak....
Went out for a 40 mile ride this morning, didn't quite make it, only rode 24 miles after turning round, I didn't have any energy and couldn't spin past 16mph most of the ride. By far my worst perfomance and feel on a ride in quite a while. I did have some spaghetti with the meal, although not a huge portion. Needles to say that I am staying away from red meats.
Anyone care to share some input or feedback on this subject?? Thanks.
|not the steaks fault||spookyload|
Jun 30, 2001 9:57 AM
|Comparing your performance with a tour leaders performance based on a meal is a stretch. Eaten in moderation(meaning don't eat a whole T-Bone), red meat will not have any ill effect on your 40 mile ride, unless you are a total vegetarian, in which case your digestive track might have some kinks. Other than that, I don't think it was the steak that caused you problems. I would look more at rest, what you ate that morning, or alcohol consumption the night before as a more likely culprit.|
|On the contrary,||mike mcmahon|
Jun 30, 2001 1:13 PM
|I hate to offend any of our PETA friends out there, but I rarely feel better on a morning ride than I do when I ate a big steak the night before. Everyone reacts differently to differnt types of food.|
|What about Beef Jerky--nature's perfect food?||boy nigel|
Jun 30, 2001 2:00 PM
|First, an athlete's body REQUIRES a good amount of lean protein--and perferably from a variety of quality sources. I remember reading "Bicycle Road Racing" by Eddie Borysewicz (Eddie B.), who helped to MAKE cycling happen in the States. He states that, when he was racing, he'd eat anything from beef to chicken to pork to venison to rabbit to mutton to elk. Plus, riders ate it almost rare (or medium--whatever was the safest with the least amount of cooking-out of proteins and nutrients). With this in mind, your body had some adverse reaction to something you did or ate (or drank, or a combination). Eating any kind of meat, as long as your body's used to it, is perfectly fine for bike riding/training; in fact, it's a needed building block for muscles and muscle tissues. Don't avoid it; maybe choose more wisely next time. Chew your meat well (try to chew each small piece ten times before swallowing), and try not to drink too much liquid of any sort while eating. This gives your saliva and your body's natural enzymes the chance to naturally break down foods. By drinking a lot WITH your meal, you wash away some of those good things so they're not able to do their job.
And I wasn't kidding about beef jerky, by the way. Dig these impressive stats:
One 4oz. package of Oberto "Natural Style" Beef Jerky has:
4 grams of fat (0% saturated--bad--fat)
28 grams of carbs
40 (Wow!) grams of lean protein
Plus, it goes a LONG way!
Sure, there's some corn syrup in it (makes up for a good amount of the carbs), but this brand has no MSG at all, tastes GREAT, and can be taken on rides to really bring a GUSH of saliva to your dryed-out mouth. Simply wrap it in a little tin foil (or just bring the whole bag). Make sure you don't litter, though--carry the wrappings home.
A yummy treat, it gives those important jaw/face muscles a nice workout; easy to chew and chew and chew, so you're not digesting big pieces of meat; fun; nutritious; and even a conversation piece. Drop the nutritional science on your riding partners--they'll be amazed. It ain't just for kiddies anymore!
|What about Beef Jerky--nature's perfect food?||Lou M|
Jun 30, 2001 4:28 PM
|very interesting alternative, I guess it might take some time getting used to it. I have never been a huge red meat fan, mainly sticking with chicken and turkey. I understand that everyone's body reacts differently. The funny thing is that I didn't do anything outstide of my routine, didn't drink, and even went to bed early, leading me to isolate the steak as the only culprit.
Thanks for the postings, guys.
|Eat small portions of it ...||johnrg|
Jun 30, 2001 5:22 PM
|I eat chicken and occasional steak. But by steak I mean a small filet. Body needs protein. I started eating less as opposed to pigging out and my performance has improved. I was truly amazed after not eating much beef in a while and puchased a small filet. Average speed increased .5 mph next day and I felt great and strong. I am confident it can help in moderation as I eat a very consistent diet.|
|Not your problem||Jim Burton|
Jun 30, 2001 8:20 PM
|I have to agree that one night of eating a lean steak was probably not the cause of your bad ride. Sometimes we just have bad days. While eating as little red meat as you can will probably make your over all health better (assuming your diet is good otherwise), having one steak will not hurt your performance.
I went vegitarian for a while and really felt great. But, I have quite a weakness for seafood and the occasional steak. So now I just do my best to keep my diet where it should be.
Tell your wife to throw away anything having to do with Suzanne Somers. I would imagine that she is touting one of those gimmicky high protein diets. STAY AWAY!!! To lose weight, ride more, eat less; simple! Those high protein diets are horrible for your long term health.
|Not your problem||cycleguy|
Jun 30, 2001 10:28 PM
|Sorry but ride more eat less! So your saying the more calories one needs the less one should take in? Yes, I know you said to lose weight. But I must disagree. It's where those calories come from and the type that matters. The more one uses, the more one needs, not less. For a healthy diet, I would assume one should take in what they need, no more no less. It's the makeup of those calories that will cause one to either gain or lose weight.|
|re: Red Meat and cycling...Definitely not a good match...||LC|
Jun 30, 2001 8:46 PM
|Never noticed anything with steak, but milk seems to get to me. After a big glass I end up hocking up a lot of extra mucus and have a hard time climbing big hills.|
|any meat before a ride hurts||moschika|
Jul 1, 2001 11:17 AM
|i'm not a vegetarian except for when i'm planning on riding that day. Any meat, cooked in any fashion, eaten anytime in the day before a ride causes serious heartburn for me. i've never really figured out why but i really have to watch what i eat before i ride. in some ways it's good tho. i've learned to eat "better" if i plan to ride and i usually plan to ride as much as i can.|
|Eat Right for your Blood Type||Mabero|
Jul 2, 2001 6:51 AM
|Here's a book title (in the topic) that you all should just browse upon the next time you are in a health food store...it is incredible the difference it makes in riding, lifestyle, etc...
It prioritizes your diet according to your blood type which dictates what types of enzyme structure you have in your stomach, considers what each blood type benefits the most from, etc...
For instance I am a Blood Type O and therefore I am the oldest blood type on Earth (AB is the youngest). My diet mainly consists of meat. Venison, elk, cow, chicken, seafood (certain kinds)...but there are also thing that I should avoid: I do not eat wheat (try that for a week!), dairy, pork, and other certain foods...what's ironic is the foods that I now avoid are the foods that would make my stomach upset, give me heartburn, or just make me feel bloated and conseqeuntly a shitty ride.
Just consider it with an open mind. And read up on it...it makes sense though...we all have different molecular structures due to masculinity, femininity, and our blood types...shouldn't a diet be constructed on such things?
p.s. for the people who are wondering what do I do if I do not eat Wheat (which includes all store breads, yes white bread is made from wheat bread)...I eat things that are made usually from Spelt Flour...I love it! Soy Flour is so much drier and can taste disgusting.
|From what study...||Skeptik|
Jul 2, 2001 11:07 AM
|...was data collected which suggests that Type O is the "oldest" blood type? And what study model was used?
|Don't believe everything you think you read.||StewK|
Jul 2, 2001 6:59 AM
|I could be wrong, but I think the story you are referring to is about a rider who participated in a celebration in his home town the night before the last stage. If this is the story you are referring to, the problem was that the meat he had eaten was prepared with some sort of alcoholic beverage (wine or brandy or something like this) and so had a relatively high alcohol content (the rider was aware of this but was well in the lead up to this point in the race and had only one stage to go). In any event, it was the alcohol, not the meat, that caused his problem.|
|What was your entire meal?||SimpleGreen|
Jul 2, 2001 10:27 AM
|How heavy was the meal? Lots of fatty foods can make you feel sluggish. You probably didnt eat enough carbs that day, and perhaps you were tired/had a bad day.
Eat proteins the evening you have had a hard or long ride and an easy ride or off day scheduled for the following day. Proteins are necessary but should be eaten at the right time.
|I think it's in your head||ColnagoFE|
Jul 2, 2001 1:30 PM
|assuming you ate some potatoes and such with your steak i think you just had a bad day. i've never had that problem, but eating steak every night is probably not a good idea either.|| |