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Armstrong wins the Swiss Tour(24 posts)

Armstrong wins the Swiss Tourmmaggi
Jun 28, 2001 10:35 AM
LA won the Tour of Switzerland followed by Gilberto Simoni and Belli.

I believe this is Lance's first victory at the Tour of Switzerland.

Should make for a good TdF should Simoni and Casagrande compete against Armstrong and Ullrich.
We now know what happens...Cima Coppi
Jun 28, 2001 10:51 AM
When Lance races against Simoni. Remember the post a couple of weeks ago after the Giro ended when everyone was asking if Simoni could win the TdF over LA. Here may be a prelude to your answer.
LA favorite to win TdFmmaggi
Jun 28, 2001 12:01 PM
Well this makes it clear that LA is the favorite to take the TdF. He's in shape and he's the 2 time defending champion and that means alot.

If Lampre-Daikin's captain is Simoni for this year's TdF, then watch out.

As I stated before, Simoni is a better climber than Armstrong. Although Simoni has gotten much better in the the TT, Lance has him beat there.

It could come down to the mountains and how Simoni and Armstrong perform there. In last year's mountain climbs in the TdF, Lance did very well in the Hautecom climb and Mt. Ventoux. After that, he didn't do as well as the other climbers. Matter of fact, one day, Lance bonked and lost some time. Didn't matter much since he had quite a lead over the others and he was able to win the Tour.

But if Simoni can stay within a minute or two of Lance, there could be a chance (albeit small) of an upset.

Don't get me wrong. Lance is a very good climber. But he's not a Simoni or a Herras.

Unless Jan Ullrich can become a better mountain climber than LA, he can't win it since he's not as good of a time trailer as Lance.
Team Time Trial!!SimpleGreen
Jun 28, 2001 12:29 PM
What about the team time trial? How well will L-D do in the TT might be a key factor. A bad team TT can lose 3-4 minutes. That could be the end of the Tour for Simoni or any of the contenders who suffer in the TTT.

Simoni should probably not ride the Tour--He'll be burnt after such a tough year. Next year is when he should try.

SG
LA favorite to win TdFzelig
Jun 28, 2001 2:03 PM
As you may know, Simoni is unfortunately not riding the TDF. As for Lance not being in Simoni or Heras' class as a climber, I'm not so sure. As Virenque said in 1999, "he went by like a jet", and he has been able to equal or better no less than Pantani. As for Heras, I've been watching the Tour of Catalania and Heras is not in good form. Finishing well down on the last couple of mountain top finishes (4:17 on Tuesday's stage taken by Gotti) although I have not seen today's final stage. He's either not going well or completely dogging it. Beloki and the Once team are riding very well in this race.

As for Ullrich, I've learned to never underestimate his abilities although the up and down weight program's got to be taking its toll.

BTW, still waiting for that Italian sweep in the Giro. Just kidding. Great victory by Simoni and fine job by the Lampre team.
LA favorite to win TdFmmaggi
Jun 29, 2001 8:45 AM
Zelig,

I'm not looking for excuses but Casagrande's crash in stage 1 (when he broke his wrist) and Frigo getting fired from Fassa Bortolo becuase of the police raid didn't help matters.

Garzelli (as well as Pantani) getting bronchitis was also an unlucky blow to Italian cycling for the Giro.

But Simoni winning convincingly (with a great performances in the hills and the TT) and Cippolini proving once again that he's the best sprinter in the world makes me proud.
Agreedzelig
Jun 29, 2001 12:40 PM
and all good points. BTW, not trying to stir anything up as if I bet the house on my picks, I'd be sleeping outside. Watched most of the Giro on Eurosport although coverage was very truncated as they got the broadcast at the last moment and had already commited to the French Open at Roland Garros.

Garzelli was looking very good, even leading out a sprint and as for Casagrande, we'll see in the TDF. Having watched to Tour of Romandie and in particular, stage four, when Frigo was dropped on the climb and bailed out by Belli who gave up improving on GC and went back to tow him up, you were left to wonder. You can't keep that sort of form beginning with Paris-Nice and a including a relatively full schedule up to the Tour of Romandie and then stay with 60 seconds of Simoni on a long climb. As for Cipo, he's great. Quaranta's quicker but in a long sprint, Super Mario is still the one to beat.

As for the Tour, the final team lineups are not out but I like Armstrong's form. I don't know about Ullrich as he's disappeared since the Giro but you can never underestimate him. I also watched the Tour of Catalonia and Beloki is also in excellent form. Bad news for USPS is that Heras did not ride well. Losing time, lots of it, on all the big climbs. The last three days all had mountain top finishes and he was well done at the end of each day. We shall see.
TT?kinglouie
Jun 28, 2001 4:05 PM
But didn't Jan do pretty good in the Olympics TT? Which everyone thought Lance was going to win.
LA's Crash may have been a factor?CyclingWolf
Jun 29, 2001 12:54 AM
Considering his crash and doing it with cracked vertebra I think
that has to be factored into his showing in the olympics.
LA and climbingpfw2
Jun 28, 2001 11:14 PM
You've got to admit he's improved since he lost weight. Pantani holds the record on Ventoux, Lance is #2, 7 seconds back. Both rides done on the same day in the 2000 Tour. But, gee, who was doing all the work at the top, into a wind reportedly gusting 40-60mph? And who was the wheel sucker? There's no way Pantani could have done that time without LA. I've been wanting to get that off my chest since last year, I feel better now. :-)
I don't follow the racing as closely as you do, so in regards to Heras and Simoni I'll just say that Heras looked great last year. I don't have OLN so haven't seen Simoni , from reading Velonews.com it seems like he's enjoying the heck out of riding which has to be good for the sport. Hopefully he'll ride the TDF.
LA let Pantani win the Ventouxmmaggi
Jun 29, 2001 8:39 AM
pfw2,

LA let Pantani take the Ventoux last year. But 2 days later up the Courchelevel, Pantani smoked Armstrong winning that stage and then the next day, Pantani came in 3rd up the Morzine and Armstrong finished further back (it may have been 9th or 10th).

When the Col de Joux Plane stage came, Pantani got the runs and dropped out, but Armstrong bonked and lost some time. Armstrong admitted himself in an interview after that stage that he was in serious trouble.

My point is this: Armstrong expended alot of energy for the Hautecom climb (in which he gained the yellow jersey) and maintained his lead over Pantani (but gained more time on others) after the Ventoux. After the Ventoux, Armstrong showed he wasn't as strong a climber as the others.

He's still an excellent climber, no question. But he's not a pure climber or as good as a pure climber. Guess what? THAT'S FINE. He's an excellent all-around cyclist.
ResultsBrian C.
Jun 28, 2001 11:14 AM
Final overall standings of the Tour of Switzerland:
1. Lance Armstrong (USA) 35hr 00min 06sec,
2. Gilberto Simoni (Ita) plus 1min 02sec,
3. Wladimir Belli (Ita) 1:34,
4. Beat Zberg (Swi) 2:47,
5. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) 2:48,
6. Georg Totschnig (Aut) 2:58,
7. Juan Manuel Garate (Spa) 3:30,
8. Manuel Beltran (Spa) 3:37,
9. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) 3:46,
10. Daniel Schnider (Swi) 5:51,
11. Oscar Camenzind (Swi) 5:52,
12. Inigo Cuesta (Spa) 6:13,
13. Daniel Atienza (Spa/Swi) 6:16,
14. Tyler Hamilton (USA) 7:23,
15. Udo Bolts (Ger) 7:52.
This just inBrian C.
Jun 28, 2001 11:22 AM
PARIS - No evidence of drugs was detected in the contents of garbage bags used by the U.S. Postal Service team in last year's Tour de France, the French prosecutor's office said Thursday.
Results of tests on urine and blood samples taken from riders won't be known for a month - after this year's tour ends.
?????????Jon Billheimer
Jun 28, 2001 11:53 AM
Can someone who's knowledgeable about drug testing please explain why it takes months and months and months to test and evaluate USPS' blood and urine samples. From my uninformed perspective this seems like some kind of psychological warfare against USPS because they had the audacity to win the Tour.
keep testing until you get the results you want! nmmr_spin
Jun 28, 2001 12:17 PM
So then...Cima Coppi
Jun 28, 2001 11:43 AM
Who was the last rider to win the Swiss tour, then go on to win the TdF in the same year?
Some obscure Belgian ridermike mcmahon
Jun 28, 2001 11:51 AM
I think his name was Eddy-something.
Correct, in 1974!!!Cima Coppi
Jun 28, 2001 11:57 AM
And it was the only time Eddy won the Swiss tour.
Armstrong in Prime Form for Tour De France (Reuters)Brian C.
Jun 28, 2001 12:01 PM
www.reuters.com
click on sports
look for Armstrong story off to the right.
good story
fyi
First American to win it? (nm)Bruno S
Jun 28, 2001 4:39 PM
Nomike mcmahon
Jun 28, 2001 4:45 PM
Andy H. won it, twice I think.
Graham Watson praises Lance, rips Big MigElefantino
Jun 28, 2001 4:52 PM
"To me, it seems like Lance is coming close to Miguel Indurain in the popularity stakes - he is admired and adored by large sections of the European press and, unlike Indurain, does not need a PR man to hide behind, even though his US Postal team has brought in a pair of skilled people to translate into French and German for him."
http://www.lancearmstrong.com/tds01.html
Big MigCima Coppi
Jun 28, 2001 6:56 PM
If I remember correctly of the days when no one could beat Indurain (except in a bunch sprint) he was quite shy when it came to meeting with the press.
Big Migjschrotz
Jun 28, 2001 11:45 PM
I can't say that I was a big fan of Mig's during his career, but I'd hardly say the man was a coward as it seems Watson was implying. Shy, without a doubt, but not a coward. He seemed to me to be a man of few words, as they say, who let his riding speak for him. I'm a bigger fan of his now, and the guy deserves all the respect in the world. He played the faithful and dependable domestique early in his career and developed into a dominating Tour rider. He may have only cared about that one race, but he rode and carried himself with more class than anyone since.