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So, you say you like to climb huh?(26 posts)

So, you say you like to climb huh?J.S.
Jun 27, 2001 6:21 PM
Check this out, 211mi and 29,000 feet of climbing in two days.
Why do all of you on the "left coast" have all of the fun!? (nm)look271
Jun 27, 2001 7:01 PM
"Right coast" funpeloton
Jun 27, 2001 8:56 PM
The west coast might have a lot of mountains, but the east has the mother of all hillclimb events. Mt. Washington rises to 6822 feet above sea level, the auto road that the race is on rises 4727 feet to the summit at an average grade of 13%, and a distance of 7.8 miles. Tyler Hamilton has said that mile for mile it is a harder climb than Le Alpe'de Huez.

It's one bad climb.
When is the Auto Road open to cyclsts? (nm)Lamb
Jun 28, 2001 12:04 PM
re: So, you say you like to climb huh?Spiderman
Jun 27, 2001 7:32 PM
how do percentages translate? FOr example, a normal set of stairs is what percentage? just to put things into perspective. thanks.
easy way to think of it...gromit
Jun 28, 2001 2:31 AM
5% gradient is one foot (or metre) climbed in every twenty horizontal (i.e not steep).
20% gradient is one foot (or metre) climbed for every five horizontal (i.e. about as steep as roads get normally).
British roads used to be signed in gradient e.g. 1:5 until we went all Euro and now they get silly and accurate e.g. 16%.
GradesCima Coppi
Jun 28, 2001 8:01 AM
Most stairs near 100% grade. That means there is an equal amount of elevation gain to the horizontal distance travelled.

FYI, 100% grade = 45 degree angle
That has to be the mother of all climbing events...(nm)biknben
Jun 27, 2001 8:45 PM
Nope! 16,000 ft. and 211 miles in 1-day!MrCelloBoy
Jun 28, 2001 8:53 AM
This Saturday is the annual Terrible Two in Santa Rosa, CA. I rode it once and have helped sag about 12 times.

Come and get it!
C U there?Dog
Jun 28, 2001 10:51 AM
I'll be there. Anyone else riding the TT this weekend?

Not this year - how about Kaiser?grz mnky
Jun 28, 2001 11:32 AM
Not going to make the TT this year (did it last year), but will be making the Climb to Kaiser out of Fresno. Just spent some days up there and rode part of the route. Gotta love that climb out of Big Creek!

The Everest thing looks like some serious fun - think we'll give it a shot. Also looking at doing a little thing called "The Bottom to Top" It's an unofficial event that a bunch of buds having been trying to pull off. Go from the lowest to the highest point in the lower 48 under your own power in 24 hours or less. Start in Death Valley, ride to Whitney Portal, trade the cycling shoes for hiking boots and scramble to the summit of Mt. Whitney. To do it in 24 hours you'll need to start the hike before dawn out of Whitney Portal which means staring the ride out of Death Valley on the prior afternoon/evening and riding into the night. Getting down off the summit is entirely optional.
Jun 28, 2001 11:48 AM
Yup, doing Kaiser; actually, I do most of the route almost every weekend. Right here in my backyard. I go from Prather to the top of Kaiser and back along the route, 101 miles, with about 12,000 feet climbing. Big Creek's a real bear of a hill. Ever see a hill like that somewhere else? Plus, it's 65 miles into the ride, up to 7,000 feet, with a lot of climbing after...

Doing the Terrible Two, and then the Death Ride July 14. Tough month.

I've ridden from Death Valley to Whitney, which is quite a ways, but wouldn't consider the hiking part. How long does the hiking part take? That's quite a feat. I assume you'll have a support vehicle. A whole lot of nothing out there. Good luck.

See you at Kaiser. Let's try to hook up. You know my bike, I suppose.

Kaiser...grz mnky
Jun 28, 2001 12:29 PM
Hmmm, out of the three mentioned events the DR is a tea party in comparison - assuming you don't get nailed by a storm or cooked on the way out to Carson, but then being from Fresno you're a little more acclimated to the heat than most. Only thing that comes close to the Big Creek grade is some of the stuff on the TT, but then you don't have the same elevation Skaggs Springs gets pretty evil, then the Wall, then Ft. Ross at mile 160. We have some evil pitches down here in the Bay Area with Bohlman/OnOrbit being one of the more famous - it hits 24% and climbs roughly 2,000', but again it starts near sea level. Riding part of the Tahoe Rim Trail from Kingsbury Grade, past Heavenly and down Toad's had some serious grinding, but that's MTB stuff.

Very glad the wife and I checked out Kaiser in advance - the real surprise is all the little climbs on the way back down. Our 56 mile loop starting and ending around Lake Shaver had 6,500 of vert. - half of the climbing in 1/3 of the route! Ultimately all of these rides can be heinous depending on the weather conditions. We did run into some local riders on Sun. at the base of the final climb from Huntington (sp?) and they gave us the skinny - a couple of them said they were doing the TT this weekend - was one of them you? Though, no Bianchis in the group.... Hope that you're spared from the intense heat.

What's up with the club deciding that _anyone_ can get and wear the jersey this year? Like the TT it should only be to those who succesfully complete - the "value" of the jersey will be cheapened. If they're going to bill the ride as one of the toughest in CA then they need to have a little "merit badge" for the folks that pull it off. My bud gets all sorts of cheers when he wears his b/c people that know the ride know he did it. The DR jersey isn't that special since anyone can get one. the only thing that matters is the little "5 pass" pin.
Jun 28, 2001 1:55 PM
I've been riding my C40 mostly lately. Only riding the Bianchi for a little testing of new stupid light equipment.

Yes, most people have the impression that C2K is all downhill after the summit, but very much not true. Say, if you come into town again, be sure to buzz me.

Didn't hear that about the jersey. That's a shame. I earned mine. Maybe they are trying to generate more interest.

Seriously epic rides create enduring memories...Zignzag
Jun 28, 2001 1:20 PM
I forgot where I copied that topic line from, but I like it.

I though I'd step up from riding "easy" doubles and try a toughie. Beating the 16.5 hour time limit worries me, though. I rode the Eastern Sierra Double June 2 in 13:25 total time. I figure I can take at least a half hour off that if I go into "race mode" and keep the time spent at lunch/aid stops to a minimum. Add 3 to 4 hours for the added severity of the TT and that puts me in the 16 to 17 hour time range.

Looks like the weather will be pleasant. Should be a "seriously epic" ride. Good luck!

Oh, I copied the following from a SRBC newsletter from last July:

"Aside from Colwell's record and the pleasant weather, probably the biggest story of the day was the large number of crashes, some of which resulted in serious injuries. Never before have so many TT riders lost control and hit the deck, and never with such dire consequences. We lost track of all the broken or separated collarbones (around six or eight). Several riders were hauled off to hospital in ambulances and one in a helicopter. Was this rash of accidents the result of too many riders? For the most part, probably not. The first (and worst) crash on Bennett Valley may have been aggravated by congested pack riding, but many eye-witness reports agree it was caused by one rider going too fast for the conditions. Other crashes were also caused by riders overdoing it on downhills(but not in packs)and others were just bad luck or bad timing of one sort or another. Although some of the accidents looked horrible, we're happy to report that all riders are doing well and will make full recoveries. Some of their bikes won't though."
just like the pro's, huh?Dog
Jun 28, 2001 2:15 PM
Wow, a ride that has lots of really good crashes. Cool.

Maybe too many flatlanders hit these mountain descents not used to the hard braking and fast cornering, and how much longer it takes to slow on steep descents. That could explain a bit.

You just can't make up that much time down a hill. Even a 1/4 mile gap isn't much at 45 mph.

The TT website this year warns riders to ride safely or they'll be kicked out forever. Good plan.

Jun 28, 2001 8:24 AM
$60 and you have to supply all your own food? I don't get it. Seems a little "steep" to me.

one day but...ColnagoFE
Jun 28, 2001 9:06 AM
the triple bypass is 120 miles with over 10k elevation gain:
And the minimum elevation isMaillot Rouge
Jun 28, 2001 9:18 AM
over 7000'. I have to tip my helmet to all riders that do these crazy rides. Especially to the folks that tend to OG and carry everything including the kitchen sinks up with them.

While not as epic in distance the Mt. Evans "Hill" climb has to take the prize for the highest elevation as the road up Mt. Evans is the highest paved road in North America. The race has 7000 ft of elevation gain in 28 miles. I think the course record is around 1 hr 47 minutes set by Mr. Vaughters.

vaughters is closeColnagoFE
Jun 28, 2001 1:45 PM
1992 Mike Engleman 1:45:30 Current Record

i do this race just for the fun of it (I'm more like 2:30 for comparison and middle of the pack). this year i get to race 35+ which is really no benefit other than getting to race in a smaller pack than cat 4s. the competition out here is fierce! another one to consider is the red zinger...boulder to breckenridge in august. 140 miles including gravel mountain roads. my freind wants to do that one next!
It is rough out here.Maillot Rouge
Jun 28, 2001 1:51 PM
I'm right there with you last year I did it in 2:28 I think and that put around 60th.

funny story about last yearColnagoFE
Jun 28, 2001 1:56 PM
i actually did it in 2:41 last year as i spent the night before at red rocks at the b-52's go gos concert drinking margaritas and general carousing until the wee hours! boy was i hung over for that race. the first 30 minutes i sweated all the booze out of my system. did it in 2:30 the year before. no concerts for me this year! hope to crack 2:30 this year.
That might be the way to go.Maillot Rouge
Jun 28, 2001 2:07 PM
That way you're numb for the first part of the race. I'm hoping to do a lot of high elevation camping in the next few weeks to try to adapt. I kind of don't want to do the race, last year was a huge blow to my ego. I'm shooting for 2:15 this year. I have a new lighter bike (sub 17 lbs)and new wheels. I'm hoping Horgan and the triple bypass will be good training for Evans.

That might be the way to go.ColnagoFE
Jun 28, 2001 2:33 PM
I'd like to have some lighter wheels for hill climbing. Right now I'm riding my Colnago Master XL which really isn't the ideal climbing bike at 20+ lbs or so. Have CXP33 wheels (36 rear, 32 front). Probably could save over a lb with lighter wheels. Previous years I had my Merlin XL which was a better climbing bike because of weight. Am doing the Triple Bypass too. Maybe I'll see you on the ride. I ride a black 62cm Colnago MXL...probably not too many like that on the ride. Most Colnagos I see are red or yellow.
Doesn't seem so unreasonable.J.S.
Jun 28, 2001 9:22 AM
I do MTB races that cost $40.00 and provide nothing. At least here you get a T-shirt. It is a USCF race, not just a "ride" and most people who race are used to providing their own support.
that's true - also Climb to KaiserDog
Jun 28, 2001 10:56 AM
That makes sense. However, many of the USCF races around here are only $15-20.

Guess we get spoiled by some of the better supported longer events.

BTW, the Climb to Kaiser, here in July, has 13,500 feet of climbing (from sea level to 9,300 feet) in 150 miles, but 12,000 of that occurs within 65 miles.