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Is the Maillot Jaune frame the same as the Zurich? (nt)(10 posts)

Is the Maillot Jaune frame the same as the Zurich? (nt)Lemond Question
Jun 27, 2001 5:33 PM
Looks like it...Cima Coppi
Jun 27, 2001 5:39 PM
I just checked on the Lemond website, and it appears they both share the same frame (Reynolds 853) and Fork (Icon Carbon). The difference is the componentry and wheels.

Check for yourself:

re: Is the Maillot Jaune frame the same as the Zurich? (nt)DonB
Jun 27, 2001 8:44 PM
The 2001 models share the same "853 Pro" tubeset. In 1999 (and I think also 2000) the Maillot Jaune was the top of the line Aluminum frame shared with the Chambery and Alpe D'Huez.
Yes it is...Jim Burton
Jun 28, 2001 7:58 AM
I emailed Lemond when I was contemplating the Zurich. All of the frames in that category (Pro Steel) are exactly the same. The Buenos Aires (Select Steel category)is a different frame, combining 853 and 535 steel. The ride quality in the Zurich and MJ are superior to the Buenos Aires and below, supposedly. The only differences in the Zurich and MJ are the components. I have had bike shops tell me that the BA, MJ, Nevada City and Zurich are all the same frame. NOT TRUE...DON'T BELIEVE THEM! Go to to get more info.
Zurich and Buenos ride the sameFred(notFred)
Jun 28, 2001 8:06 AM
There's no difference in the ride between these two bikes that I have been able to tell. The difference is components and marketing.

I've also read that Lemond's inclusion of 853 in the rear triangle of the Zurich as opposed to 535 for the Buenos results in no weight savings becasue of the thickness requiremnets of the tubing. Weight of the bikes is pertty similar--19 and change.
re: Zurich and Buenos ride the sameJim Burton
Jun 28, 2001 9:48 AM
I can't discern a difference either, but nonetheless there is a difference. Here is the email message I was sent from a rep (Chuck McFarland) at Lemond:

The frames on the MJ and Zurich are the same. A 55cm frame weighs 3.3#. The
MJ frame is actually a lot nicer than the [Buenos Aires]. It uses a 1 1/8" aluminum
steerer tube as opposed to the 1" steel on on the BA. The tubeset is also
butted differently and ovalised where the BA is not. I'd go with a Zurich,
you'll get the best features of the MJ at a price closer to the Buenos.
re: Zurich and Buenos ride the sameFred(notFred)
Jun 28, 2001 10:09 AM
Yes, I've read about those differences too. It makes me wonder what the difference really is in practical terms. Is there some advantage to those engineering enhancements that would become evident somehow, maybe in a minortiy of situations? I think the Zurich is generally worth its price and wouldn't be a bad choice, btw.
re: Zurich and Buenos ride the sameJim Burton
Jun 28, 2001 1:22 PM
Well, better butting means a potentially stiffer, aerodynamic, lighter, and/or more supple frame. Also, the 535, while a great steel, is still inferior to the 835. I don't know how the Steel frames were made before 2001, but all of them were the same until then, per the post below this one. I am sure that only an improvement can be the result. In addition, the MJ was switched from an aluminum frame to the steel frame. That says quite a bit. The former flagship racer is now steel. Lemond must have great faith in the new design. Maybe the Zurich and BA you rode in the past was a pre-2001 model, which would account for the same feel being that they are the same frame prior to 2001.
re: Zurich and Buenos ride the sameLen J
Jun 28, 2001 2:03 PM
I have a 2000 Buenos Aires and test rode the 2001 Zurich. I felt a much tighter stiffer Bottom Bracket. There was a marked reduction in BB flex in sprinting and in out of saddle climbing in the Zurich (853 rear triangle) vs the 2000 BA (535 rear triangle). The other major frame difference is the threadless headset on the 2001 Zurick & MJ.

My .02
Zurich and BADCP
Jun 28, 2001 10:05 AM
The frames on the Zurich and BA were the same through model year 2000, which probably accounts for much of the bike shop confusion. For 2001 LeMond used the lower end frame for steel bikes up through the BA and the better steel frame for the Zurich and above.