|I want some new laws of my own ! >>>>||Live Steam|
Jun 26, 2001 7:51 PM
|I want a law that fines a person for looking to the right first before looking left, when performing a rolling stop at an intersection. (Unless you live on the other side of the Pond that is)
I can't tell you how many times I have nearly bought it at an intersection where I have the right of way and the person approaching their stop sign is rolling and looking to the right as they approach. Is that stupidity, neglegence, being inconsiderate or all of the above?
I want a law that says you must signal using either the electronic one provided in all automobiles and/or a hand signal, which signifies the intended direction a motorist plans to go.
How many times has the jerk in front of you just turned without warning?
I want a law that makes a motorist come to a full stop at all said stop signs.
It seems to be a race every time I come to a 4-way stop to see who can dart through first.
I want a law that makes a motorist slow down rather that speed up when approaching the same intersection I intend to cross over on my bike, and they intend to turn at.
How may of you had the jerk think that they can get through their turn first before you cross their line?
I want a law that gives the motorist/cyclist intending to go straight at a stop light the right of way over the motorist trying to make a left, when the light turns green at that same intersection.
Oh! We have all of these laws!:-)
Sorry. I just had to vent. These happen to me, and I am sure most of you, every day. This has nothing to do with not having enough laws. It has to do with peoples lack of respect for each other. If there were a cop on every corner, I guess we wouldn't have these problems. But, there aren't and there shouldn't have to be one either.
|Right on! And cell phones!||TypeOne|
Jun 26, 2001 7:56 PM
|Yeah, I second the rant!
Did I read correctly that New York has banned cell phones in cars? I think I had better check my source on that one...
It could be the beginning of the end for the inconsiderate/distracted drivers out there.
|Oh...guess I'll read the link below||TypeOne|
Jun 26, 2001 8:00 PM
|Ok, so there's an entire thread on the subject below.
But why stop at these laws that already exist? Let's have some specific laws for cyclists, like you must YIELD for the person on the bike in all cases, idiots. I want right of way all the time. Sure, some people ride like that all the time, but now let's incorporate those bike messengers into law.
|re: I want some new laws of my own ! >>>>||Biiktek|
Jun 26, 2001 8:40 PM
|sounds like you live in New England, where traffic laws and road signs are mere suggestions.|
|If the consequences weren't so tragic .....>>>>>>>>||Live Steam|
Jun 26, 2001 8:52 PM
|that would be funny! No I live here in NYC and people really couldn't care if they ran you over. My rant came from the earlier post concerning a new cell phone law for motorists here in NY. I suggested that the law was useless and just the governments way of saying "see we care about you - we'll make them pay" Just more legislation and another revenue source for them. We, collectively as a society, really know how to screw ourselves!|
Jun 27, 2001 1:27 AM
|How about these for some laws:
Cyclists in a group actually consider stopping at stop signs themselves.
Cyclists actually use hand signals for turning.
Cyclists in a group actually refrain from yelling at motorists who don't yield to them when its the group of cyclists who are legally in the wrong.
I can't tell you how many times I've been on group rides when our group has been the worst offender on the road, shows zero consideration for motorists and basically acts like a bunch of ignorant pigs. Got so bad in the last two clubs I rode with that I quit riding with them.
Jun 27, 2001 11:22 AM
|I don't want to sound like the devils advocate but...
I few months ago I was on a group ride with a guy who mouthed off at a "soccer mom" driver her kids home. She did something inconsiderate to us but not "illegal". She got all upset and flagged down a cop. A few moments later the cop pulls up behind us and asks us to pull over. He gave us a 5 minute lecture about courtesy and rules of the road. I stood off to the side and listened as my fellow cyclists (who I hardly knew) desperately tried to justify their position. I was not a proud cyclist that day.
Anyway, It just bugged me that one, hot tempered, rider in the group got all bent out of shape about something stupid and ruined the ride. I haven't riden with them since.
Most of the time the one fingered wave and the yelling isn't worth it. Nothing is going to change. The only time I get upset is when a motorist does something intentionally. I eagerly await the day when a motorist does something to harm me and then gets caught at the red light just up the road. Fortunately and unfortunatly that hasn't happened yet.
|how people act in cars vs. how they'd act in a grocery store||Haiku d'état|
Jun 27, 2001 7:24 AM
|ever notice how putting a 19 year-old with two friends in a car and a guy in lycra on a bike totally changes the situation versus how it might be in a grocery, department store or in a park? last night i was making the final leg home and here come three nasty, plump girls in an older model nissan 4-door, making a left onto my route behind me. immediately start honking, i turn to notice they're back. cross a 4-way light and they pull up beside, staring. i ignore them and they pass too close and TWO of 'em give me the finger. would they have done this if we were on "equal ground" (standing in line at the grocery, not one behind an engine and one on an aluminum bicycle)?
what about the five kids on huffys and bmx bikes tooling around the corner at 5mph on the wrong side of the street that won't get out of the way and get snitty when i blow through?
what about the lexus with two hooty-tooties in the front seat and the kid in the back that waits 'til you crest the monster hill and then--in full view and with NO cross traffic--cut you off and motor away in a cloud of petrol fumes? do you think that kid in the back seat will be respectful of cyclists when he/she gets a car?
ALL three last night in the space of less than an hour. sign of the apocalypse? i've decided to start taking down license tag numbers. retribution may not be timely, but it will be swift when its time comes. heh, heh, heh...
|Change, it needs to happen||Kermit|
Jun 27, 2001 8:30 AM
|We all have had some sort of experience with bad drivers (pizza delivery boy that almost ran over me from behind at a stop sign he was rolling through.......being passed on the shoulder (inside) approaching an intersection). We can't expect people to change their behaviour overnight just because there is a new (unneeded) law on the books. As a group, cyclists have to lead by example and expect others to heed the call of courtesy. Signalling, calling out "hello!" and warnings of passing..... Nothing quite like being cut off by one of our "brothers" simply because they have a chip on the shoulder becasue you ride a bike manufactured by a company they don't like (yeah, it happened....truly bizarre!) What, as a cyclist do we have to be grumpy about? Especially when we are out riding!!
You can't expect to change someone else's ways...just your own!
just a rant...thanks for the forum
|what's a "hooty-tootie"?? ;)||rollo tommassi|
Jun 27, 2001 8:31 AM
|I know the feeling - you feel surrounded by morons?; yes, it IS a sign of the apocalypse. Or, as the tabloid headline said: "IT'S ARMAGEDDON, AND WE'RE LOSING!!!"|
|hootie tootie=answer would not be PC. NM||Haiku d'état|
Jun 27, 2001 8:58 AM
|food poisoning = hootie tootie?? ;0||rollo tommassi|
Jun 27, 2001 9:05 PM
|I had bad Mexican once and I was hootin' and tootin' for 24hrs! ;0|
|nooo nooo nooo! not that kind of tootin'! >;-) NM||Haiku d'état|
Jun 28, 2001 8:16 AM
|how people act in cars vs. how they'd act in a grocery store||MDHokie93|
Jun 27, 2001 2:04 PM
|I had a good one a couple of weeks ago. Two teenage guys driving by, passenger yells out some obscenities about bikers. About 1/2 mile later at a stop light I roll up beside them to see a tight-lipped teenager staring straight ahead trying to avoid any eye contact, probably realizing what a jack-arse he had been. I politely said to him " I couldn't quite make out what you said back there, did you want to repeat it?" I didn't get a response, but it felt good to take the high ground.
Most people feel ten feet tall and bulletproof when buzzing by in a car. I don't think I've ever had anyone yell anything sitting side by side at a stop light while neither of us are moving.
|If I were the benevolent dictator...||Dog|
Jun 27, 2001 8:45 AM
*Cyclists may make a citizen's arrest of traffic violators, and autos must pull over and stop to be arrested and cited (how you haul them off to jail, you got me).
*Cyclists obeying the law have the right of way over autos.
*Throwing glass upon the road is punishable by a $10,000 fine, and will be zealously prosecuted. If a state cannot prosecute adequately to prevent broken glass upon the roads, then glass containers in the state will be prohibited or carry a $5 deposit.
*All roads must have at least a 3 foot smooth, clean shoulder, separated from the roadway by a solid line.
I could go on, but this would be a start. :-)
Jun 27, 2001 8:53 AM