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straight vs. butted spokes(8 posts)

straight vs. butted spokesAT
Jun 25, 2001 3:04 PM
Have always used mavic rims/ultegra hubs w/14g straight spokes and found these wheels to be bullet-proof. Am getting new bike w/new wheels (open pros 32 holes w/ultegra), but am flirting w/butted spokes (14/15/14). Any comments? durability vs. advantage? thanks.
weight savings...C-40
Jun 25, 2001 3:36 PM
14/15/14 spokes will last just as long as straight 14 gage spokes. Spokes always break at the ends, and both are the same at the ends. Butted spokes will save about 28 to 30 grams, or 1 ounce per wheel.

Revolution 14/17/14 spokes will reduce weight by 86 grams or 3 ounces per wheel. They work fine on front wheels for most riders. They can be marginal on the right (drive) side of rear wheels.
Echoing C-40's reply...RhodyRider
Jun 25, 2001 6:45 PM
Durability will absolutely not be an issue with 14/15/14 DB spokes, especially in a 32-hole setup. I have a similar configuration (4-year old Mavic Reflex clinchers w/Ultegra hubs) and the wheels are nearly as snug as the day I bought them. Tough as nails! And in my case, any out-of-trueness (syntax?) most likely has nothing to do with the spokes. FYI, I'm over 200 lbs and I ride pretty hard, so accept my durability testimonial. Not the lightest wheel out there, but unless you are a weight-weenie it shouldn't matter.
Just as strong and more resilient (nm)Kerry Irons
Jun 25, 2001 7:10 PM
shouldn't be a problemgrandemamou
Jun 25, 2001 7:55 PM
I have butted spokes and alloy nipples with record hubs. It built up pretty light. I wanted a set of wheels that I could both race and train on these fit the bill. I only weigh 150 lbs but ride and race on some really crappy roads. 3500 miles and no problems so far.
Stronger than straight 14's!David Feldman
Jun 26, 2001 12:19 PM
14/15/14 butted spokes will build the strongest wheel for many riders.
Their resilience lets a builder more easily make an evenly tensioned wheel especially on the left side of an 8/9/10 speed ultra-dished rear wheel. 14 gauge on the left side of a heavily dished solo bike rear wheel I would call unsound choice of parts, as the tension is so low that stiff, heavy straight gauge spokes will be too difficult to get even tension around the wheel with. The right side is no problem--I build heavier (180 lbs and up) riders' wheels with 14 gauge on the right side and 14/15/14 on the left. At 150 lbs, you should have the front wheel built with DT Revolutions or 15/16/15 gauge spokes, it will have a noticeably springier feel and last you plenty long.
Read "The Bicycle Wheel"ScottV
Jun 26, 2001 10:39 AM
Wheel's with butted spokes should stay true longer then those without. I was sceptical when I first read the book but then I had a wheel built with butted spokes. Well it seems the author was right. I always had to get my straight gauge wheels trued once a year. The double butted ones are still going strong after three years. The same guy build the wheel each time.
re: straight vs. butted spokesJerry Gardner
Jun 26, 2001 12:25 PM
Butted 14/15/14 spokes are more elastic than straight gauge spokes and can be more durable, not less.