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Italian Steel Frames, Part 2(9 posts)

Italian Steel Frames, Part 2Lone Gunman
Jun 24, 2001 4:08 PM
Okay, I asked about 3 specific frames and got mostly responses that wanted to push me in another direction other than what I had looked at. I have looked at the other frames mentioned and they really didn't knock my socks off. I am currently riding a '99 Lemond Zurich. Is there a big difference in the rides of Italian steel mentioned (Gios, Pinarello, Coppi) versus the 853 I am riding? The top tube is long on the Zurich, the ride is comfy with the CF fork. Colnago may be in the cards, but I think I am trying to stay in the $1500 to $2K range for the complete bike, with either Chorus or Ultegra. Also may be an opportunity for me to go to Italy and buy a bike there an bring it home. Does anyone have any experience with doing that and what I may need to watch out for?
re: Italian Steel Frames, Part 2Hank
Jun 24, 2001 5:43 PM
well, the geometry between the Gios and the Lemond couldn't be much more different. Coppi is a old name revived by one of Italy's biggest manufacturers, and well, Pinarello makes a wide range of frames. Go with fit - tubing doesn't really matter much. If you like the way your Lemond fits, why not stick with it? If you really want a new frame, try to find one with simular geometry (which may be hard with Italian frames). Good luck.
CoppiColnagoFE
Jun 25, 2001 9:14 AM
though from what i see has gone mostly superlighht AL, integrated 1 1/8 headsets...not old world at all. not good IMHO, but some people gotta have the latest.
If you are looking for Italian steel . . .DCW
Jun 24, 2001 6:59 PM
in that price range, you should talk with Gary Hobbs (see www.gvhbikes.com) before deciding. (I didn't see your Part I, so I hope this advice isn't redundant.) I bought my Guerciotti Neuron w/ Chorus)from him about 15 months ago and am still very happy with the bike after 5,000 miles. I sold a ti bike to get the Italian steel.
If you are looking for Italian steel . . .Lone Gunman
Jun 24, 2001 8:17 PM
Thanks, already have a supplier. Since last post earlier today, I ran across a circular from the 2001 Giro. It had 22 teams listed with biographical material for each team and equipment used. 2 teams were using Pinarello, 2 teams were using Gios, 2 teams were using DeRosa, 1 Colnago and the rest were using other brands of bikes. Hmmm...Obviously the pro teams hold 2 of my choices(Pinarello, Gios) for my next frame set in high regard. And some were using Shimano components on Italian frames.
um...Hank
Jun 24, 2001 10:53 PM
"Obviously the pro teams hold 2 of my choices(Pinarello, Gios) for my next frame set in high regard. And some were using Shimano components on Italian frames."

They don't hold them in any regard - it's a sponsorship deal.
If you are looking for Italian steel . . .badabill
Jun 24, 2001 8:33 PM
GVH has a nice selection of Italian steel frames. Another option at this price range is a custom steel frame. I ride a landshark built to my specs made out of Deda zero uno steel with a ouzo pro carbon fork. Its in your price range, Italian steel, and you can pick your specs...
Italian Steel or Italian Bikes?Car Magnet
Jun 25, 2001 7:36 AM
You say you want Italian steel? Then Columbus or Deda are names you should be mentioning, Not Pinarello, Gios or Coppi (These are Italian bike companies). Just cause it has a Italian name on it does not mean it was made using Italian steel or even made in Italy.
Start with the fit ...bianchi boy
Jun 25, 2001 9:04 AM
I am a big fan of Italian steel frames, but make sure you know what frame size and geometry you need first and then go from there. I have a 1985 Bianchi steel that rides nicer than any frame I have ridden. Bought a newer aluminum frame Bianchi in the fall and could never get comfortable on it. Had a fitting done this spring and found that I need a frame with a shorter top tube than seat tube. That eliminated LeMonds and most US bikes unless I wanted to go the custom route. After hunting around, I found that Gios makes frames with the geometry I needed. Bought a Gios Compact Pro with Campy Chorus several weeks ago and have put more than 600 miles on it so far. It is a very comfortable, smooth riding frame and the size is perfect for me. You can't beat the price either -- $700 for the frame from ExcelSports. As others mentioned, the geometry of the Gios could hardly be more different than the Lemonds. I could never get comfortable with the long top tubes of Lemonds, but if that's what fits you, a Gios would not be the right bike. Gios frames are about 1 cm shorter across the top than the seat tube length, measured c-t-c.

I also would second the endorsements for GVH Bikes. I might have ended up buying a bike from GVH except he went on a 3-week vacation right about the time I was ready to order my bike, and then I discovered the Gios. GVH has a broad selection of Italian and American steel frames and you should be able to find something in any size, color and geometry from him. His prices are also hard to beat.

If you haven't decided on the component group yet, I would strongly recommend the Campy Chorus 10-speed. Mine shifted perfectly right out of the box and is still dialed in exactly after more than 600 miles. My Ultegra group on previous bike had a nasty habit of throwing the chain when shifting to the small chainring and always rubbed the front derailleur in certain gears. No such problems with Chorus and the shifting is much more precise.