|Hey weight weenies...||AD14|
Jun 22, 2001 4:59 PM
|Does anyone know how much paint adds to a ti or carbon frame? I saw a manufacturer touting ti frame advantages over steel and this was listed as one of them. Can it be more than a couple of ounces? I love what serotta does with their half paint half polish. What is the attraction of natural ti frames? Is it people knowing its ti?|
Jun 22, 2001 5:07 PM
|Bianchi touted the 2000-2001 EV2 in black as being about 50 grams lighter than the Celeste because it received a chemical treatment rather than paint. But, even the black still had some paint in places.
50 grams is less than 2 ounces (about 28 grams/ounce).
One of the utilitarian features of Ti is that it needs no paint. No chipping, scratching, etc. But, then all Ti bikes pretty much look the same dull gray, except for some graphics.
I think the Ti advantage over steel as far as the paint is concerned is not having to worry about it, not so much the weight. No worry about rust, either, which is a real concern for steel when the paint chips or scratches. Paint on a steel frame serves a very important purpose, while on Ti it's purely decorative.
I think the attraction of natural Ti frames is the lack of care they need. I think this is particularly good for mtb frames, as they get beat up a lot more and go through mud and water more.
Jun 22, 2001 5:25 PM
|Thanks-I think when I go the ti route I would like some decoration since the weight penalty is not much. By the way Doug -your geo paint on the colnago is way cool.|
|Cannondale once claimed...||biknben|
Jun 22, 2001 5:49 PM
|...that their clear polished frame was 60 grams lighter than its painted version. This was a few years back. I haven't seen a clear coated C'Dale in a couple years.|
|Make great beach cruisers ...||Humma Hah|
Jun 23, 2001 7:55 AM
|... titanium is not only impervious to seawater, it is actually MORE resistant to crack growth when exposed to seawater!
So, rather than wasting money on a $100 beach cruiser that will rust to nothing in 10 years, buy a good titanium MTB!
|50gm = $111.50||Live Steam|
Jun 23, 2001 10:51 AM
|Record 10 Ti gruppo - 2386gm @ $1199
Chorus 10 gruppo - 2559gm @ 813
= 173gm @ 386
= 1gm @ 2.23
50gm = $111.50
So what is 50 grams worth? Who knows. Recreational weekend warrior - probably nothing. Young racer trying to move up - probably worth at least $50 bucks. Weight weenie - sanity. Which is worth more?
*all pricing is from totalcycling.com and includes Aheadset
*all weights are from Campognolo technical data sheets
Jun 22, 2001 9:27 PM
|A little over a year ago, I saw a half-painted Serotta Legend Ti and it looked great, so I had my "budget" ti frame painted in the same pattern in a House of Kolor metalflake and haven't looked back. And I couldn't care less about 50 grams.
Today I was in a high end shop and they had three or four expensive ti bikes all hanging from the ceiling,no paint, hardly distinguishable from one another. Very blah, I will take my paint on my road frame. Like Doug Sloan says, a mtbike gets so much abuse, it would make sense to paint a ti mtbike.
|re: Hey weight weenies...||capnjim01|
Jun 23, 2001 7:14 AM
|I think that 60gm for paint is about right. So about half the weight difference between a Trek 5900 and 5500 (2.29 vs 2.44 pounds) is because you don't get paint. Lets see, get less pay more. I know slightlyoff the subject but It's still early and only my first cup of java.|| |