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Is it any wonder...(16 posts)

Is it any wonder...Becky
Jun 19, 2001 7:48 AM
...that people think roadies are elitist jerks?
Commuting to work this morning on my hybrid, some guy passed me on the left at a red light without calling out "on your left" or any of the other acceptable alerts to other cyclists and then proceeded to make a right turn directly in front of me while running a red light and having just signaled intent to turn left!
Am I within my rights to be a little perturbed by this? A few jerks out there give the rest of us law-abiding road cyclists a bad reputation....
He's seems to just a normal American.Cima Coppi
Jun 19, 2001 8:05 AM
I think what you saw this morning can be applied to other areas of focus besides cycling. I see drivers in Lexus' and BMW's do this all the time in Denver. I have seen many MTBer's do similar things on trails with hikers. It's a mentality that they are above common courtesy and in some cases, the law.

I don't think you can call and incident such as yours the result of an elitist, just an @$$H0le!! Shrug it off, an continue enjoying your commute to work.
Don't shrug it off - vent at the jerkrollo tommassi
Jun 19, 2001 8:41 AM
This goes back to another post of a day ago or so, about people blocking the path (and my minor rant about social idiots).

Yes, people are jerks no matter what mode of transport they are on (even walking!).

I say call 'em on the carpet for their behavior; maybe, just maybe, they will feel ashamed......

An odd by product of high gas prices could be that more people are on the bikes - the same people who have no manners who used to drive like banshees now propel a bike in similar manner.

I think cyclists should be 'elitist', and I mean that in a positive way. We should be setting a standard on how to operate the bike safely, otherwise we will never get respect or rights to the roadway.
So long as there are cars on the roads....Cima Coppi
Jun 19, 2001 9:08 AM
Cyclists will never get the respect (or right of way) we deserve.

Quite honestly, I do not think the high gas prices are causing more people to commute on their bikes, at least where I live. The motor traffic here in Denver certainly has not decreased with the high price of fuel. The paths also do not seem to be too much more conjested with cyclists.
Not " a normal American", butCleats
Jun 19, 2001 11:33 AM
more typical of a roadie.

Just look at some of the posts here in this forum that are examples of the typical roadie elitist atitude.
I've got too much time on my hands...ColnagoFE
Jun 19, 2001 8:16 AM
couldn;'t resist the styx reference.
Dohnobody gato, Mr. Colnago...(ouch!)128
Jun 19, 2001 11:56 AM
Even Breck would have a tough time making this reference anything but bad...
Although he'd PROBABLY yoink out some 1950's reference to Lefty Frizell predicting how a certain crappy band (although I did like that Blue Collar Man song)like Styx would someday change the musical lanscape to a stark marketing managers paradise theatre. So lets just all use our grand illusion too and head down to paradise city!!

RR
Could've been the same guy who passed me...John R.
Jun 19, 2001 8:42 AM
except he (on road-bike) actually said "Good Morning" while passing me (on my hybrid) and running through the double flashing red lights of a stopped school bus. You would think the fact that I was stopped would shame him into stopping as well, but no, apparently a different set of rules apply to him.

John R.
thats why we have middle fingers :)jayz
Jun 19, 2001 10:51 AM
i get to use mine during just about every ride...
for instance, mondays ride finshed by turning into my road, and having a guy lean out the window and spit at me...
nothing i like more than having that happen, certainly puts me in a good mood....but i just smile and flip em off...makes it all better.

of course he yelled something and flipped me off as well. i guess it made him happpy too.

or then there was saturdays ride when after signaling a left hand turn, some big truck comes up behind me and almost runs me off the road...then he proceeds to flip me off....
luckly for me, it was a nice section of road, where i could sit up and extend BOTH of my middle fingers...boy did that feel good.

well, im glad im not the only one that is hated and despised on the raod!!!

good luck :)
Now that was funny!SSgt Jeremy in Germany
Jun 19, 2001 12:33 PM
I about busted a gut reading:

"luckly for me, it was a nice section of road, where i could sit up and extend BOTH of my middle fingers...boy did that feel good."

Have a safe ride!
Calm down now.Thioderek
Jun 19, 2001 11:27 AM
As an 8 year messenger veteran-I retired 3 years ago-and the victim of more than a few scrapes with cars (one accident forced me into surgery for full reconstruction on my shoulder), I pay attention to cars not lights, refuse to call out my presence to another rider if I see it will be of no use or startle them and generally think that people see my riding as insane and dangerous when in fact it is very safe. If someone is riding on my tail, they are going to get killed, but me alone, I am fine winding in and out of traffic and cars with inches to spare.

I should point out that every time I was hit by a car it was while obeying traffic laws. So I stopped paying attention to lights, laws and signs and have been fine ever since.

So the guy who passed you without so much as a word, and cut off the cars and ran the redlights could have been me. I didnt want to stop, had no reason to announce myself, and found a hole through the traffic that I could fit through. Dont take it personally.

Messengers need only one gear!!!
Sounds like we ride the same way; I'll meet you in the park!boy nigel
Jun 19, 2001 1:53 PM
Thioderek,

I ride in a similar manner to you. I pass people (safely, and with space and conviction--not trepidation) all the time; peds, cyclists, 'bladers, cars. I rarely say anything to them unless it's a close call, in which case I'll allow myself room for their misinterpretation, should it happen. I've never been a messenger (Well, I was a foot messenger in high school), but I've been told that I ride like one at times. Like cabbies, though, messengers ARE in control of their vehicles (most of them, anyway--certainly the serious, money-making ones). They make a living out of riding quickly and safely through all sorts of horrible conditions and traffic situations. They aren't going to take a "risk" unless they're not seeing it as a risk. If it's safe and clear to run a red light, I'll do it--as long as I'm not spooking any pedestrians in the process.

Cabbies, for as erratic as they seem to drive, are almost like formula-one racers; they know EXACTLY how wide their vehicles are, which chances to take, and they ride with conviction. If you don't ride like this on a bike, you have to ride along the curb or next to the parked cars (not very safe, really). Riding in the lanes (or between them) with the flow of traffic is much safer, as you know. I can't really expect non-cyclists to recognize this, though. I just know that I'm in control. I give pedestrians their space and respect, as I do other vehicles, including thanking people for doing this or that with words or waves/head-nods and smiles. I feel 100% safe on the city streets.

See you out there!

Safe and speedy riding,
Nigel
re: Is it any wonder...Jerry Gardner
Jun 19, 2001 11:59 AM
Commuting to work this morning on my hybrid, some guy passed me on the left at a red light without calling out "on your left" or any of the other acceptable alerts to other cyclists and then proceeded to make a right turn directly in front of me

I agree with one of your points--the guy shouldn't have made the turn the way he did.

I don't agree about calling out "on your left" when passing people. I pass people (giving them a wide berth) without saying anything because in my experience, when I do say "on your left", many people will look back and swerve right into my path. I find it safer to just pass silently.
Same experience on passingmike mcmahon
Jun 19, 2001 12:07 PM
I usually ride up next to people without saying anything if I have enough room to do so safely. Once I pull along side or just in front of someone, I'll say hello. Like, Jerry I've found that announcing my presence while I'm behind someone often just creates a dangerous situation for both of us. Most people aren't prepared to have someone ride up from behind them, and they overreact when they suddenly hear a voice behind them.
re: Is it any wonder...woofer
Jun 19, 2001 12:43 PM
I second that. I never call out to someone when passing. Invariably they look to their left and that causes their bike to swerve to the left.

ciao
stealth is OK sometimesJohnG
Jun 19, 2001 2:09 PM
I rarely call out my presence to other riders any more. Better to just blast by someone than give them directions on where to dart next. I.e. There are PLENTY of stupid A's who will veer left when you say "on your left". I don't play that "game" any more.

However, running red lights IS Darwin's solution overpopulation..... not a bad solution either.
JohnG