|Cannondale vs. Trek||Schulzygr8|
Jun 15, 2001 9:56 AM
|Which brand is better, Cannondale or Trek?
What are the positives and negatives of each?
|re: Cannondale vs. Trek||xyz|
Jun 15, 2001 11:01 AM
|What brand is better, Chevy or Ford?
What are the positives and negatives of each?
Jun 15, 2001 11:05 AM
|unless you have something against rollovers. Yeah, and Vettes are cool!|
|Ford and Chevy are both mediocre at best. If we continue||railer|
Jun 15, 2001 11:44 AM
|to support them in thier mediocrity they will continue to build it. Dont get me wrong, I love America, I just think the cars are an insult to ones intelligence.
C'dale and Trek do a pretty good job I would say.
|Europe gets the good Fords||Hank|
Jun 15, 2001 12:10 PM
|we get the Taurus, they get the Mondeo
|Europe gets the good Fords||Wil|
Jun 15, 2001 12:13 PM
|OK, Germany can talk junk about American cars. Everyone else in Europe should have nothing to say. Even Land Rover is american owned now.|
Jun 15, 2001 1:01 PM
|I thought of the exact same response but being raised in Motown by a Ford family (my parents have a combined 50+ years at what we call "Ford's") I know that Fords are far superior than Chevys. Sorry, I just had to defend the company that paid for everything I ever owned as a kid.|
|The car world here is vastly different and intermingled...||Rick Bell|
Jun 15, 2001 3:56 PM
|There is one minivan here that is marketed as a Ford, a VW, AND a Seat. The name of the Ford model? the Ford Galaxy (for you retro car dudes) :) And the Caddilac Catera is an Opel Corsa here, a typical 4-door family car that's nothing out of the ordinary... All GM stuff is marketed as Opel here, even their minivan. Ford is Fiat and Fiat is Ford here. Ford is also many other things, so many that I can't keep track. Chrysler seems to be the only one that markets their cars untouched here (of course they are Daimler now, and they want to break that off 'cause Daimler is firing all the American workers in their "newly acquired division"). Except that a lot of the Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth models are relabeled between the three, I dunno why. Ever see a "Chrysler Caravan" or a "Chrysler Neon" before? The world's third Chrysler (now Daimler Chrysler) minivan plant, which makes them for Europe, is in Graz here in Austria. All of the ones sold here have a huge "MADE IN AUSTRIA" sticker on the back, and they're huge hits here. And of course a vast amount of all these cars are diesel, all are manual, and all can kick the asses of their American counterparts with normal unleaded engines and so on. The family I live with has an Audi and a Peugeot hatchback. The Audi is ungodly. The Peugeot is a tiny, tiny little car with an engine so small that it runs on happy thoughts. But it can still lay wicked tracks on the autobahn without a problem :)
But enough about that. I don't own a car. I ride my bike, the bus, and the Strassenbahn here...
|Europe vs. US||sidley|
Jun 15, 2001 4:23 PM
|While you are quite right to hint at the insestuous nature of the auto business, note that GM does not market its cars as Opels. Rather Opel is a separate company, wholly owned by GM, that designs and manufactures its cars for the European driver. Can you imagine a European's reaction to a Buick? Ford Europe used to be much more autonomous but the long term plan at Ford is to break down the continental barriers and start developing cars to market world wide. Enter the Mondeo or its US version the uhhh, whatever replaced the Escort. That thing.
Here's something related to bikes. While hanging out in my LBS last weekend an Italian guy came in looking to buy a Specialized. I told him look at all these great Italian bikes and frames in this shop - Pinarello, Bianchi, Colnago - why buy a Specialized? He response was that he can get a Pinarello at home for half the price, whereas as a Specialized was something to behold and it costs twice as much in Italy. Apparently, Europeans love American aluminum.
|Good point, its all about scarcity and price. Colnago, Pinarello||railer|
Jun 15, 2001 4:35 PM
|etc. in Europe, are like Specialized, Trek, and Cdale here. High prices of any product produces brand imaging. Scarcity also results in demand. Econ and marketing 101.|
|Although some people do buy foreign cars for this very reason,||railer|
Jun 15, 2001 5:03 PM
|the knowledgable drivers (ie, real enthusiasts for the sport of driving) know, along with pretty much most of the world that american cars are just bad. Sure, they are roomy, they have good power most of the time for their respective class, but thats about all they have to offer.
Maybe the big 3 are in cahoots with some type of auto mechanics union, but I couldnt ever be proud to be a motown engineer. They are getting better. And maybe they dont care cause they still sell a ton. Kinda like Huffy.
|Fiats, Puegots, Alfa Romeos, Kias . . .||sidley|
Jun 17, 2001 9:23 PM
|Anything made within 500 miles of English territory (ever see the service bill on a pre-Ford Jaguar or Land Rover?). These are all bad cars. With the exception of German cars (not including VW), European cars are just as crappy as American ones. They just get better mileage and have stiffer suspensions. The best auto manufacturer in the world is Toyota.|
|Agreed. Everyone here immediately started comparing domestic||Bobblie|
Jun 17, 2001 10:09 PM
|cars to European cars. I dont think too much of Euro cars either. They do drive great and have great designs but are low on qulaity just like domestics but not quite as bad. VWs, Jags, and Land Rovers are probably up there with the worst.
I agree with you on Toyota and its great hearing that from a Ford boy! They just make the absolute best, most well thought out vehicle. They dont have the "coolest" image with all their economy cars, but if you want quality look no further. Honda is right up there also, but i would give the nod to Toyota.
|Europe vs. US||Hank|
Jun 15, 2001 6:47 PM
|we're not getting a version of the Mondeo over here. It's a dfferent platform than the Focus. The Mondeo is the size of a Passat (which it competes against in Europe). It's just a tad smaller than a Taurus, but bigger than a Focus.|
Jun 15, 2001 5:21 PM
|The Mondeo was sold here as the Contour. It was Ford's attempt to build a car for both the US and Europe on a single platform. It was a complete failure here.
Of course, the version we got was Americanized which probably ruined it.
|A dead heat||Wailer|
Jun 15, 2001 10:52 PM
|They are peers, so you could choose either one and know that you bought a decent bicycle. If you are buying a top level Cannondale, be sure you review the warranty. On some models Cannondale will not warranty frames that fail from fatique and that is precisely how most aluminum frames that fail, do so.|| |