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FRIGO OUT OF THE GIRO !rollo tommassi
Jun 8, 2001 12:14 PM
I can't believe it.., it's only being reported on this site:
er, amend that to say fired from team! (nm)rollo tommassi
Jun 8, 2001 12:19 PM
Jun 8, 2001 12:23 PM
That article says he's been kicked off the team! I wonder what gives? How come no one else is reporting this? Very interesting indeed. What a bummer. I was just starting to like the guy too.
Today's reportLazy
Jun 8, 2001 12:28 PM
Interestingly...the article outlining today's stage says:

"Not a lot to talk about concerning the overall standing. Gilberto Simoni surrounded by his Lampre partners spent a rather relaxing day. With two stages to go until Milan, the Italian still has a 15" lead on his main rival Dario Frigo."

I wonder what's really going on.
Jun 8, 2001 12:27 PM
A wire service says Frigo was sacked by his Fassa Bortolo team after being found in possession of illegal drugs during a police raid on his hotel room in San Remo. Manager Giancarlo Ferretti told reporters that the team had received an official notice from the police late on Thursday that drugs had been found the previous evening. Dario admitted this and so, as under the rules of the team, he was immediately sacked, Ferretti said. He was second overall in the Giro, 15 seconds behind compatriot Gilberto Simoni after leading the race for nine days.
Jun 8, 2001 12:47 PM
I'm getting really turned off. I was rooting for Frigo the whole way. I thought it was amazing the effort he was putting into the mountain stages. I hate being so naive. Sheesh. Disgrace.
It don't look prettyBrian C.
Jun 8, 2001 1:01 PM
The wires - Reuters, AP, AFP - are comparing it with the 1998 TDF fiasco.
Apparently, the Italian police raid netted testosterone, caffeine, adrenal and anabolic steroids and other stimulants.
Wonder how all this will affect the '01 TDF?
Jun 8, 2001 1:15 PM
What an asswipe! I can't believe I was rooting for him. Which means he probably doped to win Paris-Nice..

Look what I found, how could we not suspect!!
Man, that's funny....Greg Taylor
Jun 8, 2001 2:23 PM
If you put the IV drip in the other end....
re: FRIGO OUT OF THE GIRO !JustSpinnin
Jun 8, 2001 4:45 PM
Funny!! Very funny!!

Damn, if you cheat then deal with the consequences. Of course, who is to say what teams don't 'mind' a little chemical assistance...if you don't tell and they don't ask. it is...
How could the team not know?Largo
Jun 8, 2001 1:25 PM
Frigo is the scapegoat here.
For the management to claim ignorance, and sack him, is bs.
You can't hide that sort of thing from team mates and management with whom you spend so much time.
Same with Hamburger and Riis, of course Riss knew.
The management should be punished as well.
But really, this is just the tip of the iceberg, so why bother?
How could the team not know?jschrotz
Jun 8, 2001 2:12 PM
What I have to wonder though is why didn't he test positive at any of the doping tests before? Or was he just getting set to use it to juice himself for the really tough stages he was about to face? I know that no test is going to catch every cheater, but this new one is supposed to be much more reliable than anything else out there to date. Strange happenings indeed. I have to agree with Largo, we're probably just getting started here. Too bad.
How could the team not know?Len J
Jun 8, 2001 2:14 PM
Good Question. I hadn't thought of this.

Aren't the first three finishers & the first three overall (GC) tested daily? I don't get it either.
The manager and teammates may have known, however...Ian
Jun 8, 2001 4:20 PM
... Fasso-Bortolo as a company (Italian concrete) has a no-tolerance policy towards drugs. Once they had knowledge that he was found with drugs, he was treated as any other employee would be, fired.
The manager and teammates may have known, however...mike mcmahon
Jun 8, 2001 4:25 PM
I'd have no reason to disagree with that, just as I had no reason to disbelieve the Festina Watch people when they came out very strongly against drug use in the aftermath of the '98 Tour and disclaimed any prior knowledge. However, if I were a sponsor of a pro team since '98, I might be more inquisitive about the use of banned substances before putting my corporate logo on a jersey. In other words, I'd be looking for some sort of assurance that my squad isn't going to be doped and exposed for it.
Maybe Ferretti should be canned.9WorCP
Jun 8, 2001 4:43 PM
Perhaps a clean team can be had if management suffers consequences for the actions of their atheletes. Perhaps the UCI should the suspend the sponsors themselves for fielding a dirty team and damn the financial loss. It's obvious that teams are unwilling to police themselves and apparently the only way to stop these cheats is if the government itself gets involved. Its pathetic. This Frigo nearly stole the second biggest bike race in the world. That's a lot of money and the punishment should be severe. It destroys interest in the sport. How can anyone root or feel proud of the accomplishments of a cheat and a thief. This cuts to the core of why I love racing in the first place. I want to believe an underdog w/ a lot of heart can rise up to the occasion and be heroic for a day. BUt now I just feel a naive fool for ever having faith in the guy in the first place.
Anyone want to start watching pro bowling?mike mcmahon
Jun 8, 2001 3:26 PM
I mean, I can't imagine that "doping" can help bowlers in any way so maybe it's one of the few remaining clean sports. I've been a Laker fan since the days of Jerry West, Happy Hairston, etc. However, based on their childish and selfish behavior this season, I stopped watching pro basketball this year. As a Dodger fan, I suffered through Sheffield's pre-season garbage and have been losing interest in baseball.

After the past few years of drug scandals in cycling, I knew pro cycling was at least as tainted as any other sport. Then, last week something happened in the Giro that gave me some small glimmer of hope in pro sport. It was Julio Perez's victory on June 1 and the aftermath. Perez being kissed by two beautiful Italian women missing his two front teeth. Saying that the victory would give him the financial opportunity to get a motorbike and a (hopefully beautiful) fiancee to ride on this motorbike with him. The following is a description from VN:

"Perez's expression was so clear, he did not need to say, "it's great to win the toughest stage of the Giro! I'd trade two teeth for a day like today!" (In stage five, after breaking his chain the day before while away alone on the climb to Montevergine, he crashed and broke off his right front tooth and the next one to the right of it.) He went on to say, "I have to thank Simoni for letting me win; that was very gracious of him. I have a lot to learn, especially about descending, but I have a lot of courage and morale. By now, my mom has gotten used to me being over here, and the whole family, as well as a lot of other people in Mexico will be very happy."

The fifth of six sons, Perez used to work as an iron-working shop in Tlaxcala, training on the side. He first came to Italy to race as an amateur for a few months each year from 1997 to 1999. In 2000, he turned pro and now lives along Lake Garda with other members of his Panaria team."

Now, less than a week later, the guy who's lying second is kicked out or withdraws or whatever it is because he's caught red-handed with dope. Why can't cycling have more Julio Perezes and fewer Dario Frigos?

Do they show bowling on OLN?
No - Chess...Yeah!..That's the ticket...JustSpinnin
Jun 8, 2001 4:48 PM
Now way in HELL to cheat on that. Either you got the brains or you don't. No doping up on somebody elses brain cells and cognitive thinking....I don't think...duh...uhh....what was I saying??

Tiger Woods kicked out of the Open for EPO!!!!!!!!!!!!Largo
Jun 8, 2001 7:35 PM
I knew there was no way he could be so good and be clean!
Everyone knows about the rampant use of steroids etc in bodybuilding, so the powers that be came up with a natural category. That is, no steroids etc.....
Well, i had read somewhere that to win this category some individuals where on the juice to get the competative edge.
Now i wonder, are any of the stars clean?
Is Lance just on a team that can get him drugs that they don't have a test for yet?
Its a vicous circle that will never end.
I am so jaded now that i wonder if Marco bailed out just in time to avoid getting nabbed.
Tiger Woods kicked out of the Open for EPO!!!!!!!!!!!!JamesT.Kirk
Jun 8, 2001 8:46 PM
I'm gonna keep believing in Lance until I'm proven wrong.

As for Marco... The same thought crossed my mind as soon as I heard about the raids and his abandonment...We'll never know of course. But if he was doping, talk about picking your moment! I actually think that we are seeing the "real" M.Pantani. I gotta think if he was on da dope he wouldn't have been sucking SOOOOOOO bad this year.
That new blood test is for EPO. not other stuff.Groucho Marx
Jun 8, 2001 8:38 PM