|Are Bikeriders unique?||Len J|
Jun 7, 2001 2:59 PM
|The recent threads on Hydration packs got me thinking about how many seeming inconsistancies (SP?) exist in bike riders.
We love our unique ability to do things others can't imagine (100 miles on a bike) yet we sometimes seem to follow each others preferences for leg shaving and equipment and clothing etc with a passion.
We are some of the friendliest people in the world (especially to other riders) yet we defend our choices with a vengance that borders on agressivness.
We are equipement junkies who sometimes can't accept new ideas,(Hydration packs) and rail about tradition.
We love helping Newbies, welcoming them into our world with glee yet are usually quick to drop them on a group ride under the theory that it will make them stronger.
Maybe we're just human. It is interesting to watch and participate in this manifestation of our lack of uniqueness (as a group) while still seeing so many views of our uniqueness (as individuals).
Must be why I like it so much.
Oh yea, and I like the riding too. And it is more fun in a group of other flakes like me.
|I don't think so||sidley|
Jun 7, 2001 4:34 PM
|I experienced many of the same idiosyncracies amongst my soccer-playing bretheren.
Soccer season in Michigan usually means playing in freezing temperatures and sometimes in several inches of snow. In fact, wearing tights or sweatpants in games was forbidden by the High Scool Atlethic Association rules. Donning extra leg layers at practice was similarly forbidden because in the words of my craggy, scottish coach, "footballers don't wear bloody tights!"
Soccer season also meant growing out one's hair. Why? Because soccer players have long hair, of course.
We all need to belong. Whether its not using a camelback or wearing shorts in the snow, we just need a way to identify ourselves and gain a repore with someone of similar interests.
|re: Are Bikeriders unique?||ALLEN|
Jun 8, 2001 2:21 AM
|Unique, Of course. Your'e right about everything you mentioned.|
|The important thing ...||bianchi boy|
Jun 8, 2001 6:42 AM
|Is to do what you like and not worry about what others think. I could care less if other riders use a Camelbak, Look pedals, Campy or Shimano, or whatever. I do value their opinions because I often encounter problems with gear, clothing or bike fitting that other riders have been through and figured out solutions to. However, I recognize that a saddle that is comfortable for me might be pure hell for another rider. Another rider might have the money to spend on a ti frame, when I don't have as much money to spend on an entire bike. But it doesn't bother me. I ride because I enjoy it and it makes me healthier, which is probably the same for most riders. Face it, to 99% of the population, bikers in spandex shorts and jerseys look like goofballs. You don't ride a bike to look cool or impress people (or your fooling yourself if you think so).|
|At the crit race in Arlington last weekend, saw a lot of||bill|
Jun 7, 2001 3:32 PM
|Ksyriums. I like mine a lot (although they have yet to see a race). A couple of thoughts -- you say "light climbing wheels" -- Ksyriums are not the lightest wheels out there. And Shamals and Carbones are another quantum leap in price and are quite speciaized. I would think Nucleon if I were you. Have heard lots of good things about them, and I hanker after a set, myself. I wouldn't get the more pure aero wheels unless I were cruising at, well, a lot faster than I'm used to cruising at, which is when you feel the advantage. They also tend to be heavier (not sure about the Shamals), and they would be hell in a crosswind. Not that good for all around wheels.|
|Get the ones that won't shimmy Ha ha ha ha (nm)||seth1|
Jun 7, 2001 3:33 PM
|Zipp 303's or HED Alps||J.S.|
Jun 7, 2001 4:13 PM
|Both of these wheels are real aero wheels( 60mm or higher rim section) and are crazy light. Both retail for about a grand a pair, but hey, it cost money to go fast, how fast do you want to go.|
|you wont go that much faster||ColnagoFE|
Jun 7, 2001 4:55 PM
|than with your 32s. light may help you climb a touch faster (think a second or two over a 10 mile course if that) but it'll do absolutely nothing for flats...in fact the lightness could work against you as heavier wheels have more momentum once you spin them up (though not as quick to spin up as lighter wheel). Thus light wheels are good for climbing and closing gaps in a crit. They really don't do much for normal riding.|
|semi aero/off the shelf||Mass Biker|
Jun 8, 2001 7:16 AM
|A reasonably light, reasonably aero wheelset can be had for a reasonable amount by building up a set of C.King or Dura-Ace hubs laced to Mavic CXP33 rims. Use DT revolution spokes as needed (and as your weight permits) and alloy nipples if you want to get cute. Light and strong. Semi-aero. Easy to repair. And if built by a trusted/competent wheelbuilder, straight as an arrow even after riding through the rough stuff. Take a stand against high-priced aftermarket wheels with proprietary parts (spokes, hubs etc.) that are hard to service without sending the whole thing back to the factory.|
|You are sooooo wrong.||J.S.|
Jun 8, 2001 11:15 AM
|It is common knowledge that taking off rotational is the best place to start when considering upgrades, wheels being the biggest performance enhancer. Both these wheelsets weigh close to a pound lighter than a stock set of wheels, add that to the fact that they are true aero wheels(60mm rim height and bladed spokes) and you have a definite performance advantage. Read the original post, he asked for a good set of all around wheels and both these wheels fit the bill. If this type of wheel were of no advantage then why do pro's spend upwards of $3000.00 of their own money for just this type of wheel(ADA's made by Cees Beers which are much like the wheels I mentioned but weigh even LESS.)|
|Sooooo wrong...for some||Mass Biker|
Jun 8, 2001 12:43 PM
|Seems to me that he can get what he's looking for by considering employing the skilled hands of a skilled wheelbuilder. Be it the LBS with CXP33s or Dave Thomas with Velocity Aeroheads, the point is that there are many other options (usually understated, and every once in a while tried-and-true) other than the pre-fabricated flavor of the month that is crammed down our throats by marketing geniuses and Cycle Sport. The original post was in search of something for "fast days/racing" - these neanderthal wheels serve my (identical needs) just fine. Just a thought. - MB|
|pros spend that kind of money because||ColnagoFE|
Jun 8, 2001 1:57 PM
|aero wheels DO provide a difference in events such as TTs and lighter wheels spin up faster and climb better. is the difference huge? NO. But pros often win or lose by fractions of a second so it's worth it to them. Is it worth it to Joe Biker? I don't think so. The differences you are talking about are inconsequestial. Still those boutique wheels do look cool! Lance uses Ksyriums and Cosmic carbones because they pay him to do so and if he trashes a wheel they give him a new set. not so with you and i. i'm sure they are good wheels and i'm seriously considering ksyriums for a second wheelset, but not for an only set as i weigh 190 and can be hard on wheels. i'll save my cxp33 36 spoke wheels for training and general riding.|
|Back to the original post, he asked for "fast cool Wheels"||J.S.|
Jun 8, 2001 2:18 PM
|I believe that the wheels I suggested fit that bill.|| |