|How can Frigo win the Giro?||vram|
Jun 7, 2001 12:40 AM
|There are four remaining stages, two tough mountain stages and the remaining are relatively flat stages suited for sprinters. What does Frigo need to do to make up the 15 sec that separates him from the Maglia rosa?
What are his strengths and how can he exploit them in the remaining stages?
Frigo has shown the tenacity to hang on with Simoni on the mountains. But considering Simoni's current form, can Frigo attack him in the mountains and take off him? Should Frigo instead try to get into a breakaway and try to stay away? Should he contest the "inter-stage" sprints to gain time bonuses?
Stage 18 June 7 Imperia - S. Anna Di Vinadio 230 km
Stage 19 June 8 Alba -Busto Arsizio 163 km
Stage 20 June 9 Busto Arsizio - Arona 181 km
Stage 21 June 10 Arona - Milano 121 km
These are the two mountain stages:
Col Di Nava (941 m, 10.2 km @ 6.87 %)
Colla Di Casotto (1381 m, 11.7 km @ 6.83 %)
Colle Fauniera (Cima Coppi) (2511 m, 14.4 km @ 9.5 %)
S.Anna Di Vinadio (Finish) (2010 m, 15 km @ 7.37%)
Mottarone - 1st passage (1421 m, 12 km @ 7.48 %)
Mottarone - 2nd passage (1421 m, 12 km @ 7.48 %)
|I don't know, but this one silent killer is....||Spox|
Jun 7, 2001 3:37 AM
|lookin pretty well done to r'n'r in TdF...|
|He placed 3rd in yesterday's stage (nm)||Mike Prince|
Jun 7, 2001 6:52 AM
|re: How can Frigo win the Giro?/ The Feretti Factor||TC|
Jun 7, 2001 4:31 AM
|I would say that Feretti might make a pact with ONCE or one of the other teams that has some people who want a podium spot. He is one cagey, and smart DS and I would think that at this stage he will align himself to make a move that will benefit Frigo.
Expect the attacking to come thick and fast, by the teams who either haven't won a stage or will have something to gain on the GC ladder.
Simoni has to let most of these attacks go and not chase everything. If he starts chasing the wrong moves, then he could be in trouble at some point. Expect enemies to be friends and friends to be enemies at this point of the race.
As Phil and Paul would say "they've really thrown the hawk in amongst the doves today boys"!!
|Stage 18 cancelled, Pantani out||niklas|
Jun 7, 2001 5:11 AM
|No stage 18 :( (according to eurosports webpage) |
I thought that would be an interesting stage. And what's the interest with the Giro anyway, with all the doping stuff...
|Stage 18 cancelled, Pantani out||bartali|
Jun 7, 2001 7:05 AM
|Like there's no doping in the Tour? Get real. There has always been doping in this sport and there always will be.|
|Stage 18 cancelled, Pantani out||niklas|
Jun 8, 2001 2:01 AM
|Of course there's doping; it's just that why do they have to be so bloody stupid with it. I mean keeping syringes and other stuff in the hotelrooms...Almost as dum as the finnish nordic skiing team...;)|
Jun 7, 2001 7:14 AM
|The Giro organizers announced earlier today that today's stage, the 18th would be cancelled for "technical reason". The riders are currently holding a meeting to decide whether to pull out of the race.
What they called "technical reason", was simply the impossibility for the riders to reach Santaurio di Vicoforte in due time. Earlier this morning, around 6.30am according to the official press officer, the organisers had agreed to shorten today's stage, to start from Santaurio di Vicoforte at 13.00 and to finish at Sant'Anna di Vinadio.
During the night, Italian police raided hotels where riders were staying, searching for drugs.
Italian news agency ANSA quoted police sources as saying substances including testosterone, caffeine, adrenal and anabolic steroids and other stimulants had been seized.
The riders are currently holding a meeting to decide whether to pull out of the race.
|Italian cycling stage canceled after police raid||freespirit|
Jun 7, 2001 7:34 AM
|Italian cycling stage canceled after police raid
June 7, 2001
SAN REMO, Italy (AP) -- Giro d'Italia organizers canceled Thursday's stage hours after police raided cyclists' hotel rooms and team vehicles in a race-wide probe of alleged doping violations.
The announcement was made by race director Carmine Castellano while riders were meeting to decide whether to continue the rest of the tour.
``Obviously they were not happy with what happened,'' Mauro Vegni, a race organizer, told The Associated Press in a phone interview from the Italian Riviera where the race was supposed to start on Thursday.
Initially, the difficult stage through the Alps was going to be shortened by 62 miles, but Vegni said the plan was dropped when it was realized the participants wouldn't have enough time to finish the course during the day because the riders' meeting was still going on.
On Wednesday evening, about 400 police officers raided hotels hosting all 20 teams in the race. The blitz, which lasted until 4 a.m. Thursday, was part of a crackdown on banned performance-enhancing substances.
The Carabinieri paramilitary police which conducted the raids said they seized some 200 packages of medicine, including stimulants, anabolic steroids and corticosteroids, as well as used syringes, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.
ANSA reported that the massage therapist for Mercatone Uno was led away by officers, and a cyclist, which it didn't identify, had jumped out of a first-floor window of his hotel during the raids. He was not injured and was stopped by police.
A police officer was hit by a syringe, without its needle, thrown from a hotel window, ANSA said.
Wednesday night's investigation was launched after syringes and other paraphernalia were found in hotels following the May 27 stage that finished in Reggio Emilia.
The reports of the raids are reminiscent of the 1998 doping scandal that hit the Tour de France when teams were expelled after admitting to widespread drug abuse and police raided hotels searching for banned substances.
Italian police performed similar raids in two previous Giro races, in 1996 and 1997. The first raid in the southeastern city of Brindisi turned up no significant evidence of doping violations after a news leak alerted suspects. In June 1997, Carabinieri searched the hotel rooms of the Technogym team in the northeastern city of Trentino.
Last week, police seized medicines in the caravan of top racer Ivan Gotti, who said the substances were to treat his allergies. ANSA reported that Gotti's father-in-law is being investigated for allegedly supplying banned substances.
Gotti, a two-time Giro champion in 1997 and 1999, was cleared of wrongdoing along with his wife. The Alessio team star is currently in eighth place.
Mercatone's top star, Marco Pantani, who won the Tour in 1998, pulled out of the Giro on Wednesday, saying he was too ill to continue. Pantani, who also won the 1998 Giro before facing a litany of doping accusations, was doing poorly in this year's event.
Before Wednesday's leg in San Remo, a French and an Italian cyclist were pulled out of the race by their respective teams after each reportedly tested ``non-negative'' in a preliminary doping test.
Riccardo Forconi was pulled before the start of the stage by the same Mercatone Uno team that features Pantani.
Forconi was in 39th place before the start of the stage in this northwestern coastal city.
Earlier, the Alexia Alluminio team yanked French cyclist Pascal Herve. Test results on Tuesday indicated Herve had used the banned performance-enhancer EPO.
Thursday's stage, the 18th in the three-week Giro, was supposed to be one of the most difficult, taking riders on a 142.6 mile course through the Alps.
|This cancellation $^#%$#^% sucks!||Ian|
Jun 7, 2001 7:45 AM
|I sat down this morning about 9:33am totally pumped to watch today's stage and what do I see on OLN? Phil, Bob and Paul talking about the raids that happened overnight.The police keep the riders up all night and the world misses what is probably the biggest day in cycling so far this year.
Hopefully, the race will continue. And, please, please, let this be a lesson to the riders in the Tour and not let this happen in July.
|This cancellation $^#%$#^% sucks!||Cima Coppi|
Jun 7, 2001 7:53 AM
|Let this be a lesson to all riders/teams not the use banned substances, period!! The riders seem to be only as smart as friction levers.|
|What a Whip!!!||Leroy L|
Jun 7, 2001 7:53 AM
|They're beating me down. Here I get hooked into the OLN coverage of this killer Giro d'Italia and somebody throws a rig out a hotel window ahd hits a cop - allegedly. Adios Giro !! If they're going to do dope they should do it right or not at all. Can't these guys handle doping competently like the NFL and the NBA ? What's the matter with these people? And Marco Pantani - has he finished a race this year ? - it appears he can't race clean - look how he's doing. He has the flu? He's jonesin' in the peloton. Why don't they test all these guys everyday - no wonder so many of them are so thin!!! Please excuse the rant, but I was really enjoying the Giro and now it's gone. Damn!|
|What a Whip!!!||Cima Coppi|
Jun 7, 2001 7:56 AM
|Perhaps if the NFL and NBA's banned substance list was as long and stringent as UCI's, we see a very different outcome in our national pastimes.|
|How True!! (nm)||Leroy L|
Jun 7, 2001 9:51 AM
|re: How can Frigo win the Giro?||mmaggi|
Jun 7, 2001 8:15 AM
|Not that it matters now since it appears that Giro is over thanks to a police raid.
Anyway, it would be very difficult for Frigo to gain time on Simoni. Why? Well, you said yourself: there are only mountain and flat stages left with no time trails.
Frigo's specialty are the TTs. He would gain time on Simoni on one more TT. But there are none left. Simoni is a natural climber. He's capable of dropping Frigo on any one of the remaining climbs and I'm sure that's what he had planned.
Frigo, on the other hand is not capable of dropping Simoni. Frigo keeps his own on the climbs and has kept up with Simoni in the mountains with the exception of the Passo Pordoi last Friday. But Frigo can't drop a pure climber like Simoni.
If Saturday (the Giro's 2nd to last day) were a TT, Frigo would've been a shoe-in to win it. It's Simoni's to lose and I don't see it happening.
|re: How can Frigo win the Giro?||Mel Erickson|
Jun 7, 2001 8:46 AM
|The Giro isn't over because of the police raid, it's over because of alleged doping. If even half of what has been reported is true it's truly sad. Don't blame the police, it's the teams, managers, riders, etc. that cause their own problems. I've come to the conclusion the system is broken and may be irrepairable. How long will the sponsors stick with this sport when the biggest races are tainted? Without the money the sport will be relegated to a minor curiosity. I'm depressed.|
|I'm Depressed||Len J|
Jun 7, 2001 10:54 AM
|I know I am to. Imagine how a "Clean" rider in the Giro feels. I assume there are some.
TDF should get more interesting now. Who will show up?
Jun 7, 2001 11:50 AM
|Hold on a second. Timeout.
If I'm not mistaken, the top 3 finishers of each stage are tested. To boot, the top 3 riders from each classification (leaders, sprinters, KOM, rookies) are also tested since they're required to submit urine samples.
Now, I'm not being naive and I'm well aware of all the doping problems this great sport has been through, but this police raid (400 caribinieri to be exact) is nothing short of barbaric. There was absolutely no reason for this. What are we living in... Nazi Germany or communist Russia?
I'm sure there are a few dirty cyclists, but for the most part, these guys have been testing negative. Does that mean that they didn't augment their training before the Giro? I don't know for sure, but my guess is not.
The bottom line is that apparantly there's little faith in the urine testing system that's in place. FINE. Come up with a better testing system. One that doesn't raid hotel rooms and keep cyclists up until 2:00AM in the morning the night before the best stage of the Giro.
|Nope, it's in Italy||Mel Erickson|
Jun 7, 2001 12:09 PM
|Don't assume because we live in the home of the free and land of the brave that other nations have the same protections. That's not the case. When in Rome... The Italian police have a little different view on things than we do. They're enforcing the law. The race means little to them. So what if it disrupts the race and the riders. To them that's unimportant.
The doping casts a shadow on everyone, clean and unclean. We just can't be sure that the race leaders and those tested frequently just haven't invented a better mousetrap. They'll NEVER be able to stay ahead the cheaters with better tests. That's what really depresses me. I don't see a solution that will save the sport.
|His only chance is if they somehow cancelled the 18th stage.||9WorCP|
Jun 7, 2001 3:54 PM
|His only chance is if they somehow cancelled the 18th stage.||conspiracy theory|
Jun 7, 2001 4:25 PM
|True, but only if the riders don't race tomorrow (yeah they will ride, but race?). Makes sense that it would happen in the middle of the night before a tough mtn stage rather than the day prior, the rest day. But maybe it was the bookies behind it, who may want/not want Simoni to win it. Wasn't he a relative longshot at the start, predicted for a top 5, but not the win? I'm sure it can all be tied back to Berlusconi.|| |