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Time trial specialists?(7 posts)

Time trial specialists?Groucho Marx
Jun 5, 2001 8:12 PM
Most people didn't expect Simoni to do as well as he did in the time trial because he is a climber. Now that he got second, everyone is joking that he's doped. Now I know climbing and time trialing are not the same thing in terms of muscle groups and such, but I would think that a large part of time trialing is heart and cardo related. And the best climbers definitly have that, and great power production.

Now why is it so hard for the climbers to do well on the flats. Is it just because they're so much lighter, and thus slowed down by the wind more? Wouldn't their power and cardio levels make up for that? What if they have a tail wind? They're usually much smaller, so air resistance should be less. (of course, in the example of someone like lance, it begs the question of why the other heavier time trialist can't climb like he can (he's pretty heavy.)

This must be because lance is just so damn fit. So why can't a really fit climber do well in time trials.
re: Time trial specialists?Jon Billheimer
Jun 5, 2001 8:29 PM
Some can, e.g. Armstrong and Indurain. But for the most part, 135 lb. climbers simply don't have the muscle mass to push huge gears. The have a high power-to-weight ratio, which enables them to get up hills. But at higher speeds, increasing wind resistance requires huge amounts of power to sustain speed.
re: Time trial specialists?kinglouie
Jun 6, 2001 3:09 PM
I'm wondering what this will bring in this year's Tour de France. It seems that (as Bob Roll indicated) in order to "sabotage" Lance's chances in the time trial, they put it on an "incline" for this year.
A comparison with Pantani...Greg Taylor
Jun 6, 2001 7:01 AM
The year that Pantani won the Giro and the Tour, his time trialing really picked up. At the Tour, his prolouge showing was poor, but he gutted it out in the final TT. Now, we all know that Mr. Pantani could have been benefitting from the best that medical technology could provide during that period in his life (we will never really know beyond a doubt) which could partially explain the result.

It is kind of sad that if a good guy like Simoni (the profile on him in Procycling a couple of months back made him seem like a gem -- he even refused salary for a while when his results weren't there) picks up his game a notch or two in a different discipline, everyone thinks that he is doped. It is troubling when our ability to believe in the legitimacy of an athlete's accomplishments is clouded by well-developed cynicism.
I hope not, this race has been greatJamesT.Kirk
Jun 6, 2001 10:15 AM
This Giro has been great. I don't know whether to root for Frigo or Simoni. Frigo has that "underdog" sympathy. I read that article in ProCycling and came away pretty impressed with Simoni though, so now I'm kinda rooting for him too. As far as doping is concerned, everyone said Frigo would get crushed in the mountains, and look at how well he rode and minimized his losses. He then came back to win the TT stage. Now Simoni turns in an outstanding TT and people say he doped. I think wearing that Maglia Rosa inspires these guys to dig deeper than ever. There's a certainly a difference in your performance depending on whether you're out of contention or so close you can taste the win.

To steal a Phil Liggetism:
"He's riding like a man possessed!"
I agree...Greg Taylor
Jun 6, 2001 10:35 AM
I'm pulling for Simoni.

Today's Giro report on ( discusses the issue of Simoni's good performance. The folks that matter (Eddie Merckx, for Belgian TV) say that the "maglia rosa gives one wings...".
Pantani in the 1998 Tourmr_spin
Jun 6, 2001 11:59 AM
Pantani did a Simoni-like time trial in 1998 in the final ITT. He came in third at 2:35, after Ullrich and Julich (1:01). Beat some pretty good TT guys, too. Ekimov, Hamilton, Riis.

Was he doped? I don't think it matters. Non-specialists can do it when they have to, especially when they are wearing the yellow jersey and it is the penultimate stage.

I think he got a flat on the Champs Elysees the next day, causing a big panic in his team.