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NASCAR = Cycling?(21 posts)

NASCAR = Cycling?WildBill
Jun 4, 2001 10:57 PM
Ok. This is a question for all you kids across the pond. After watching the Giro and some other classics this year I was trying to figure out just what type of crowd goes out to watch these events.

In America, cycling events usually draw a pretty wealthy elitest crowd - well, if you can even say it draws a crowd because 90% of the people at an event have a family member in the said event.

Anyway, I was just curious as to what type of American fanbase would compare the European cycling fans. Are they similar to the good ol' boys of NASCAR? The overweight NFL couch potato?

re: NASCAR = Cycling?CyclingWolf
Jun 4, 2001 11:29 PM
Not sure but I am a cyclist who is a huge NASCAR fan! (Grin) Has any cyclist willing to admit it painted their bike in the colors of their favorite NASCAR team?
re: NASCAR = Cycling?LLSmith
Jun 5, 2001 4:47 AM
Had not thought about it, but my bike would look much better painted like #24.
Gordon paint job?mr tornado head
Jun 5, 2001 8:09 PM
Well, to address the original question; Dunno, never been three. Wish I was.

As for the followups, I figure crits are more like NASCAR, and road races/stage races like F1.

For the Gordon paint job, I was wondering... i have an early Trek 2300 with the c.f. main triangle, the fork is neon green and the stays are florescent yellow. With the Specialized seat (black & red) and the seatbag my well-intentioned parents got me is blue... All I need do at this point is paint a 24 on it and slap on some DuPont stickers. (Not that I really would, I root for other drivers).

I used to not "get" NASCAR, just like 3 years ago I didn't "get" bike racing. Now I get VeloNews, & sunday is bike tune-up day while I watch the races.
Bianchi painted with the Home Depot colors?keith m.
Jun 5, 2001 7:15 AM
hard to imagine.....
How about a Dale Earnhardt #3 memorial Colnago?!?!Cima Coppi
Jun 5, 2001 7:19 AM
Colnago is already working with Ferrari and the F1 team, why not NASCAR as well?
How about a Dale Earnhardt #3 memorial Cannondale or Trek??PaulCL
Jun 5, 2001 12:37 PM
NASCAR and an Italian frame! Don't make me sick.

Seriously, I equate NASCAR fans with those rednecks who try to run me down while I'm on my Italian bike. Now, an American made frame and NASCAR...who knows....still, I can't imagine too many riders of high-end bikes (be they Italian or American) are big NASCAR fans. got one here...Greg Taylor
Jun 5, 2001 2:21 PM
The crowd at a Nascar race is actually pretty nice. Other than the annoyances that go along with a big crowd, I've never been hassled. I've seen a lot more violence and bad fan behavoir at a hockey game. I'd generally agree, however, that the cycling community is not one of NASCAR's most fertile target markets.

Still...on some levels the sports are not that far apart. Once you stop laughing and/or choking, consider this:

-- Track Cycling involves tight packs of riders going in circles, NASCAR involves tight packs of cars driving in circles.

-- Drafting plays a big part in both cycling and NASCAR.

-- Both sports have big personalities: Cycling had the "Cannibal", Nascar "the Intimidator".

-- Bike fans wear jerseys emblazoned with the colors of their favorite teams. Nascar fans wear clothes emblazoned with the colors of their favorite driver.

-- The sanity of Nascar Fans and Bike racing fans is openly questioned. Both are passionate about their sport.

Ok, I stretching it a little here. The point is that enjoying bikes and race cars ain't mutually exclusive. The big bonus for bikes is that I can actually go RACE my bike in a sanctioned event for a little money and a lot of sweat, while my chances of getting on the track at Daytona or Richmond is slim and none.
How about a Dale Earnhardt #3 memorial Cannondale or Trek??LLSmith
Jun 5, 2001 3:37 PM
Whats the fastest growing spectator sport in the country?? NASCAR. I sat with over 100,000 fans at at the NAPA 500 last year. It was a mixed crowd of people. Must admit there was alot of smoking and drinking, but no problems. My guess is the person trying to run you down on your bike is more likely to be your neighbor not paying attention to the road then a NASCAR fan. JMO
Re: How about a Dale Earnhardt #3 memorial Cannondale or Trek??jschrotz
Jun 5, 2001 5:38 PM
Being the son of a former amateur race car driver, I love car racing, but I've never understood the fascination with NASCAR. And it's not because of the stereotypical NASCAR fan either. I have several well-off friends who love it. I just fail to see the excitement behind everyone driving basically the same car and turning left over and over again. Turn left, go straight, turn left, go straight, repeat ad nauseum. . . Watching paint dry comes to mind as a more attractive way of spending my time. I get the impression that half of the fans of NASCAR are hoping to see a big crash. Just my opinion though, I could be wrong.
Probably an unfair generalization on my partPaulCL
Jun 5, 2001 7:38 PM
It's just that I have always equated NASCAR with billybobs in pickups. In my area, Northern KY, it seems that every pickup has either a #3 or 'Jeff Gordon' sticker somewhere on it. I have a client who climbs into his $150,000 RV every summer and follows Jeff Gordon for two months. This guy is a hard drinking, heavy smoking, real 'blue collar' type of guy - great guy, but I just don't understand the attraction. Not a negative, just my own personal experience with NASCAR fans. I am sure there are plenty of affluent, non-beer guzzling, Mercedes-driving fans...I just have never met them. If I offended any NASCAR fans, I am sorry. I guess they look at us in wild colored lycra on $4000 bicycles as grown men and really scratch their heads. To each his own.
Interesting Question --Greg Taylor
Jun 5, 2001 7:05 AM
Nascar draws a good mix, if my experience in the stands at Richmond and Dover are any indication. The crowd in the main stands is fairly affluent, I suspect because the tickets are relatively expensive. There are, of course, a lot of middle class white males, age 30 to 60, but there are a surprising number of women and families as well. I have also noticed that the crowd is becoming more ethnically and racially diverse. A good chunk of tickets go to corporate sponsors and are handed out as perks to employees.

There are still the prototypical "wild-eyed Rebel" fans in the stands...I remember my first race at Richmond. I was seated in the cheap seats down next to the track. Two guys, who I swear were named Skeeter and Booger, skipped work and drove about 200 miles to make the race. They each smoked about a carton of cigarettes, drank a 12 pack apiece, and generally had a grand time throwing fried chicken bones down in front of the stands. The best part was that one of them was an Earnhardt fan, and for 400 laps he stood up and gave Davey Allison the finger each time he went by. He didn't miss a lap. THAT's dedication to your sport!
gone in 60 secondsBreck
Jun 5, 2001 10:20 AM
great post. wish i'd been there! in high school(1960) there was this pit called the devils bowl(?) near dallas, texas but can't remember the town. they simply dug out in the earth a large round maybe 10 ft. deep hole in the ground and maybe a quarter mile loop. the hot rods would race around the earthen pit with noise, dirt, fire belching from the cut outs, etc. was the "fun zone" while we drank beer(illegally gotten with a fake id) from the stands. when we left our ears would be ringing. wake up next morning and heavy talking on the big telephone and half deaf to your dad's "where the hell were you last night?" yeah, parents cared back then :)

gets in your blood. my first remembrance of auto racing was watching the indy movies the auto exhibit of the texas state fair, dallas about 1954. roger ward was "the man". about that time chrysler introduced the hemi in their 300 series cars. it's no wonder petty ruled! then later the "bird" line of winged cars for a while. then restricter plates, etc. toned down the speeds for stock cars and pit crew times were main thing, etc.

i demo'd a 2000 pontiac grand prix gtp with the front engined cast iron block push rod V6, auto tranny. fun to light up the boost gauge. but needing the 4wd and still picking trucks to drive last 25 years opted for the Toy tundra v8, no slouch of a performer(0-60 in 8secs stock) & supercharger is on the way. however the now-a-days- auto trans cars/trucks lock up the torque converter before you can really whistle dixie & don't typically offer the manual tranny in the more performance versions.

anywho i believe bikes and fast cars/ trucks/ etc., do mix. like when's the last time you saw an mtb bike pulling the off road iron man stewart truck to the desert or fast road version pulling the grand prix racer to the track? we need the cars and trucks to cart the bikes. i still watch nhra drag racing & go to the long beach grand prix, occasionally stop by les stricker's rod shop in laguna beach to see the latest kit cobra or modern choped coupe hot rod. may the force be with all y'all castrol fans! :)

ps, my keyboard is bout gone in 60 seconds ...the 1974 version!
& the new release two-lane blacktop dvd widescreen collectors tin has a 1955 chevy key-fob in it ...don't miss out.

May the (John) Force be wth you...Righteous Post!Greg Taylor
Jun 5, 2001 11:32 AM
Wake up and smell the nitro!

One of the cruelest ironies about our local cable provider is that they lump the Outdoor Life Network together with Speedvision and Disney (what's up with that?!). When I want bikes, I get either Mickey or some lame "Powersquadron" rerun about flushing your boat's bilge or removing algae from your hull. When I want cars, I get Mickey or a bass fishing show with a bunch of drunk semi-celebrities. Trust me, fishing is great but it is not a spectator sport.
May the (John) Force be wth you...Righteous Post!Breck
Jun 5, 2001 1:21 PM
sure you have checked it out but the direct tv sat feed seprates out speed vision. sunday watched wide screen LeMans on lost drive-in.

gonna get the raspberrys for this, BUT >>>
after the day's bike ride.....

Event: 4th annual Lucas Oil Products Nationals
Site: Route 66 Raceway, Joliet, Illinois
Date: June 3, 2001

John Force, the 10-time Winston Funny Car Champion, was the number 1
qualifier, and broke his own NHRA national record for quarter mile time
and the Route 66 track speed record--only to lose in the final round by
.002 of a second.

During qualifying, Force lowered the official NHRA national record to
4.763 seconds. On race day, he ran 4.853 seconds, 4.773, 4.771 and
4.805, the quickest sequence in history.

For the full article and current point standings, go to

Check out Castrol's new promotions while you're at it!


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Pontiac Excitement Nationals, June 14-17, National Trail Raceway,
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Sears Craftsman Nationals, June 21-24, Gateway International Raceway,
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Pep Boys 50th Anniversary NHRA Nationals, July 5-7, LA County Fairplex,
Pomona, California.
wide screen showing of Le Mans...keith m.
Jun 6, 2001 7:48 AM
wasn't it great!!! I remember this movie when it first came out, it still is the best. Last year for Christmas my Dad bought me 40 laps at California Speedway driving a nascar. Driving one of these even with the limiter at 165mph was just a blast. Seemed like it took forever to get down the backstraight at that speed though. However, my CRG 125 shifter kart (Italian made of corse) is more fun to me.It's just more violent, and with my motorcycle road racing background, it trips my trigger. Like miniature F1 without the traction control.
Now, I know you're local D.C., GT. Who's your cable provider? nmbill
Jun 5, 2001 3:26 PM
Cox Cable...Greg Taylor
Jun 5, 2001 3:34 PM
I've got the basic package.
I've got Arlington Comcast with about 500 channels (surfing isbill
Jun 5, 2001 3:43 PM
an an endeavor), and I don't think that I get OLN.
Wow...Greg Taylor
Jun 5, 2001 3:47 PM
That's incredible.

If I really study the TV Guide, I could probably catch the rebroadcasts when Cox runs OLN on the shared channel. Today's stage is running at midnight. I guess that is why I own a VCR.
The silliest is that Comcast OWNS OLN. nmbill
Jun 5, 2001 4:32 PM