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Knee Pain and Pronating feet??(10 posts)

Knee Pain and Pronating feet??notes_clp
May 31, 2001 11:28 AM
Just wondering what other riders who have pronating feet (a.k.a. duck feet..) do to easy the strain on there knees. As of now I am ridding with MTB SPD peddles with the cleat (??) adjusted to let one foot point out towards it's natural angle. Only problem is that the amount of "travel" is not enough. I am working with my LBS to address but I am also trying to find some answers on my own.

Any suggestions or recommendation's to help this?
Sorry--no answers, just more questions...Kristin
May 31, 2001 12:41 PM
...perhaps this is a plague affecting Notes Admins who also cycle? :-) I'm interested in the answer to this question. I too have an instep. I'm unsure how best to position my feet. Do I let em do what they want, or do I force em into a traditional position? I rode horses for years and had problems. My coaches always forced me to put my feet in proper position--its required if your gonna show. Doing this was tiring and had residual effects. Good question!
Let them beVlad the Impaler
May 31, 2001 7:21 PM
Relax and let your feet be at the angle they naturally want to. If you force them to be in an unnatural postiion you are asking for knee pain. When I first started riding a lot of miles on the road (on my MTB), I thought I should keep my feet parallel to the bike. I soon started having pain on the outside of my right knee. I noticed in a post ride shower if I lifted me leg up, mimicking a pedal stroke, with my foot parallel, it hurt. Lifting it up with the front pointed to the outside naturally, it didn't hurt. I started riding with a natural "toe out" pedal stroke and had no more knee problems. This has made the transition easier to my new road bike. In regards to most things on the bike, just relax and let your body do what it naturally wants to do. If you force it, pain is not that far behind.
re: Knee Pain and Pronating feet??Len J
May 31, 2001 1:08 PM
Look for Pedals that have more Float. I use Speedplays which have 38 degrees of float. Basically they let your feet go where they feel comfortable. However if you float to much with Duck Feet your heels might hit the chainstays.

My 2 Cents
It could be several things...DINOSAUR
May 31, 2001 1:58 PM
Pedal with no float, seat too high or too low, pushing too high of a gear, or all of the above....
It could be several things...notes_clp
May 31, 2001 2:28 PM
I agree that it could be any or all of those things.. But it is only with one knee, which is the same leg/foot that pronates, hence I kind of thought it might be tied into the peddle and lack of float.

I have seen pedal "extenders" that look like it should address the heel hitting the crank issue. Has anyone used these?

Kristin: At least we are not Exchange admins, we would have bigger pains than this if you know what I mean. ;-)
It could be several things...DINOSAUR
May 31, 2001 6:48 PM
This is just a pure guess on my part, but I would start with pedals that have a float. It might be the most expensive option, but that is the very reason that some pedals are designed with a float. The first generation of Look pedals did not have a float and some riders experienced knee problems. The float eliminates perfect cleat alignment and you foot finds it's natural position.

There could be other medical problems that can only be answered by a professional.

I always make sure that I am warmed up before I start pushing big gears. And I don't push big gears day in and day out. Somedays I just take it easy and for a spin.

Nothing should hurt if your bike is properly set up, accept general tiredness and aches and pains after a long ride. I'm always a little bit sore here and there.

Also you might try lowering your saddle just a tad, perhaps 2mm. Pain in front of the knee is associated with a saddle that is too high.

Good luck, and if you find out what caused your knee pain let us know, you might be helping another cyclist somewhere down the road....
pain in front generally seat too low nmishmael
May 31, 2001 10:02 PM
pain in front generally seat too low nmDINOSAUR
Jun 1, 2001 1:37 PM
Not necessarily: I really hestitate upon offering medical advice on the internet. It's worth exactly what you pay for it. That being said, chondromalacia, a condition of thr knee, a saddle on the higher side of the acceptable range can therapeutic. I'm not claiming to be an expert as I quoted this out of "The Complete Book Of Road Cycling Skills". There is also a whole chapter in this booked related to knee problems. "The best cure all for knee pain is proper cleat alignment".
If anyone really has a medical problem, they should head for a doctor.
It could be one simple little adjustment, or it could be a whole bunch of stuff that is going on with your knee and cycling just aggravates it.
re: Knee Pain and Pronating feet??LLSmith
May 31, 2001 3:21 PM
I switched from mtb pedals to speedplay X 2's. When I first started with the speedplays my right foot pointed out just a fuzz, but my left foot(bad knee)was pointing in a fuzz. I had to actually look down for a few rides and turn the left foot out. Now it just seems natural to keep the left foot turned out. This along with more time on the small chain ring has made my knees pain free. I just wish I could say the same for my butt. The speedplays will let you move your feet where you want them to be.