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Am I alone in thinking 853 steel is harsher than aluminum?(11 posts)

Am I alone in thinking 853 steel is harsher than aluminum?Alex R
May 30, 2001 11:08 AM
I've had a cannondale Caad3 and I've got a GT Pulse track bike. Cannondale had a carbon fork/steel steerer, GT has an aluminum fork.

I think my 853 cross bike transmits more road buzz, and is more jarring on rough pavement than either of these. The steel bike also has a steel fork and big, 80psi cross tires which should soften the ride.

Anyway, with everybody worshiping the ride properties of good steel I thought I'd give my two cents on the issue. My 853 bike (it's a gunnar) transimits buzz like a tuning fork.

Alex
re: My experience....Rusty Coggs
May 30, 2001 11:18 AM
I'm 150 pounds and ride a 57/58cm.My caad3 and eariler vintage Cdales were a nasty ride,but caad4 built with same parts is better,but no match for several good steel bikes.Have both steel forks and carbon on the steel bikes.One of the steel bikes is virtually as light as the caad4 and is just as stiff and responsive as it needs to be for my weight and riding. I find no benefit to aluminum.My HO, others will vary.
re: My experience....Fred(notFred)
May 30, 2001 11:49 AM
Well, my 853 road ride feels plusher than my cro-moly cross bike. Feels more so when riding 700x25 rubber, though.
re: Am I alone in thinking 853 steel is harsher than aluminum?ColnagoFE
May 30, 2001 11:51 AM
it really doesn't depend so much on the material as how it is made.
Amen.Gadfly
May 30, 2001 12:04 PM
There's a lot to be said for engineering & design. I started commuting a couple weeks ago on an old beater steel-framed Schwinn. Beater is the right word -- as I felt beat-up after the ride. I just dumped it in favor of a 15 year old Trek bonded aluminum frame that makes all the difference. And it's not the steel, it's not the aluminum: it's the design. IMHO.
Absolutely! Whether steel, CF, Alu, Ti, it's all about.....shmoo
May 30, 2001 9:32 PM
....design, rider weight vs. the robustness of design, fit, balance, construction, etc.
I think the Zurich feels harsher than a CAAD3. nmrailer
May 30, 2001 2:32 PM
I own both alum and 853 Steel wins!delcerrotome
May 30, 2001 3:43 PM
I have a 2000 Schwinn Peloton Pro 853 steel bike with Time carbon fork and 700x20 tires. I also have a commuter bike (older mtn frame) with butted alum tubing, alum fork, and 26x1.5 slick Ritchey slicks. I live on a rough road and the Schwinn rides much better than the commuter bike even with the big difference in tires. Of course the carbon fork helps some but the tires are going to make a bigger difference.
Not a valid comparison.shmoo
May 30, 2001 9:21 PM
Two completely different designs and design parameters (intended functions). The difference you feel is way, way more due to design than material. You can't make any kind of valid conclusion about material based on a comparison of a contemporary steel road bike with CF fork against an "older" aluminum mountain frame with aluminum fork.
All depends on who made it.Parker
May 30, 2001 9:08 PM
Lots of 853 bikes have lots of different rides.
You can't really ride one bike and base your opinion on the entire
material. I wonder how much buzz is coming from those not so smooth cross tires also.
Anyway, I bet if you put your Al fork and road tires on the 853 bike
you'd see a difference. maybe not though as I'm not familiar w/ Gunnar.
Also, if its a cross bike I'd bet they beefed it up more than a road bike would normaly be.
An 853 bike can be made to ride very harsh or on the other end, very flimsy and noodley. Comfort is much more dependent on make than material.
Comparison?pfw
May 30, 2001 10:28 PM
Why not try the CAAD3 and the GT off-road and see if they're harsher or smoother than the Gunnison then?