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My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale Poll(14 posts)

My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollGTRider
May 27, 2001 9:55 PM
Well i did my first real ride today.I have been commuting,but this was a planned ride.Lets just say what was suppose to be a 30mile(48k)to 40mile(64k)ride.Next thing i know my friend and i are on the back end of a Metric Century.We ended up doing 67miles(107k)To be honest,i was really considering that metro bus back to Seattle at mile 50:).But i pulled it out.I am feeling it now.This was also a chance to brake in my rebuilt wheels.The 15 gauge was not working for a person of my weight(240LBS)So i had my CXP 21 done with 14 gauge SS spokes 3 Cross.So i am 20 miles into the ride and the fricken rear wheel is out of whack and i am pissed.I expected this,but more like after 70-100 miles.Not 20 miles.So ispend 20 minutes retruing them and off i go.I finally get to a bike shop ihave them tension the rear and off i go again.half way back to Seattle i check the wheel again.THE FRICKEN THING IS WACKED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not as bad,but still....So it got me to thinking maybe it is the rims.I am going to try one more thing before diving in to new rims.But what i need to know is.What are my fellow Clydesdale riders using for rims and how are they working for you?
Hope you enjoyed the story and thanks for any info on the rims.
May 27, 2001 10:09 PM
A good wheel builder will beat the spokes with a deadblow mallet to pre-tension and seat the spokes. Repeat process until wheel stays true. The rim shouldn't have much bearing on keeping the wheel true. I've been using stock (read cheap) Campy Omega rims laced 32 3x 14g, which have stayed pretty good, even with my 220 - 230 pounds (fit - unfit).

Though now those wheels are gone along with the stolen bike, the new Trek 5200 will have Rolf Vector Pro wheels. I have heard good things about these, but only time will tell.
Sorry to here about you bike.....GTRider
May 27, 2001 10:22 PM
I saw the post over on the sister site.I will talk to the wheelbuilder about what you mentioned thanks AB
Spinergy Rev-XCurtis
May 27, 2001 10:59 PM
I weighed in at 243 today. I have been usin the Rev-X wheel for 3 years now and have no compliants. I know they are heavy, but for us big guys, it's more beneficial to worry about losing pounds from the motor than losing grams from the bike.
Spinergy Rev-Xfuzzybunnies
May 28, 2001 12:13 AM
mine crapped out on me after 3 days on the rear wheel, decided not to buy the front. A lot of people need to just ride with more finess. Light people come in to the shop all the time with trashed wheels while some of the heaviest have been really happy with ulta light set ups. I ride a set of older mavic reflex clincher rims with revolution spokes front straight pull rear is 3x both sides. Neither has had to be trued in 1000 miles and I'v never had to true the front after 1.5 years. A good part of it is in knowing how to ride carefully. TTFN
Spinergy Rev-Xscreamingbunny
May 28, 2001 1:50 AM
after watching a rear MTB spinergy explode in front of me at a race(moved me from forth to third) I will never own one of these wheels. Sitting at 210, give or take a beer, I've been rideing a set of Excel sports Cirrus wheels, Mavic Open pros and dura ace hubs, I'm not sure on the spoke type, I think a mix of butted and straight gauge, well anyway pretty light. I've got 6 months and 1500 miles on them and haven't trued them yet.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollDrD
May 28, 2001 7:15 AM
As has been mentioned already, the quality of the build will have alot to do with the strength of the wheels - that being said, I am not so sure I would go with 15 gauge spokes for someone your size. Also - if the spoke tension is very non-uniform on the wheel it will go out of true more easily (in addition, if the spokes wound up while truing the wheel, as soon as you ride and the spokes unwind (you will hear pinging sounds, etc.) the wheel will come out of true a bit - it's important to make certain the spokes don't wind up while truing (well - they are going to twist, you just want to make sure you untwist them)

I am 205-210lbs (depending on the day) and currently have Mavic CXP-33 rims laced to Dura Ace hubs with DT 14/15 double butted spokes (purchased from Col. cyclist a couple of months ago) - no problems at all after 800 miles or so.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollIan
May 28, 2001 10:24 AM
How old were the CPX-21's that you had re-laced? Rims will lose some of their strength over time and will have to be replaced. A few years back I had a wheel re-laced and when the mechanic went to stress the wheel, the rim just folded. I weigh 210 and have had good luck with Velomax Orion Comps. I have 800 miles on them and after an initial true after 70-80 miles they have been great.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollGTRider
May 28, 2001 11:56 AM
The CXP's are only 6 weeks old and came with the bike.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollJRM
May 28, 2001 2:18 PM
Ive used open pro's (3x) in the past and am currently on CXP 23 (3x). The only problems ive had with the wheels are the ones i created by X-ing and jumping.

PS: it could very well be that you have stripped nipples. Or you have a bad build. Sorry..
Velocity Deep V's (heavy!)--Mavic MA-40s before thatCory
May 28, 2001 2:43 PM
I vary between 220-240, and on the recommendation of an LBS owner, I used Mavic MA-40s w/14 ga. Wheelsmith spokes for years. Rarely had to do more than tweak them a half turn or so. That bike's gone, and the two replacements have Velo Deep V's (no trouble AT ALL, but only about 1,000 mi.) and some Bontrager Fairlanes I ordered from Rivendell with my Atlantis (rear arrived about 2mm out of true, but it's been fine for 2,000 since I fixed it)
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale PollRichard Schneider
May 28, 2001 10:22 PM
I used to have the same problem until I switched to double 14/15 butted spokes. Improves the ride too. Also try 25x700 Vredestein Fortezzas. Great tire and they take the load off the rear wheel.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale Poll(ACE)
May 29, 2001 12:24 AM
About 225 or so, many miles on open pros (Wheelsmith) with 14/15 spokes. Nary a problem.
re: My First Real Road Ride and A Clydesdale Pollrepoman911
May 30, 2001 1:58 PM
For the record I had problems with the CXP-21's that came on my Cannondale too. Maybe 2x/radial on the rear wheel with 15G spokes isn't a good idea with a 215lb rider!

I had the rear relaced 3x both sides with 14G spokes. I think it should hold up fine now.

I bought a pair of Mavic Cosmos's from the LBS. I was told by a couple of larger riders that they had no issues with them going out of true. I have 350 miles or so on them to date with no truing needed. The do "creak" when I stand and hammer, but I hear most straight pull spoke setups do this.

I do agree with the other poster, riding smarter, and avoiding the severe bumps will really make a difference in the wheel staying true. I also get off the saddle for all larger bumps and sometimes just "unweight" myself off the saddle by putting all of my body weight on one foot or the other.

Good luck. If all else fails, just go 36 hole/3x/14G/MA40 and all should be fine!