|Roadies are elitist.||B. Bunter|
May 24, 2001 3:33 PM
|I find it funny that roadies get a bad rap for being elitist. Personally, I prefer to ride with experienced riders with pacelining skills I can trust. Also, when I'm on a ride, I am on a ride. Stopping is a nuisance and I'm not out to socialize (with the exception of fast riding chicas.) On solo rides I enjoy turning up the heat and seeing what other riders have if they decide to bite, but not with grinders (aka most Freds), since it will probably be a waste. In all I want to ride as fast and strong as possible and ride with the same ilk. Now all of this is elitist. It means that unless you create some interest (ie how you ride and not what you ride or wear), I'll probably not even deal with you, because I'm looking for bigger fish to fry. So what's wrong with that? It's how I ride. For me riding is a personal form of expression. And I choose to ride like a shark. (Although sometimes I get dropped like a mule.)|
|Not in my experience ...||Humma Hah|
May 24, 2001 3:45 PM
|... I'd say the fair assessment is that frequently, when they're actually riding, they're, um, focussed. But then again, so am I, most of the time. The fact that roadies tend to keep moving means when you see them on the road, they're not likely to pay you much notice.
Compare that to mountainbikers. Some are as focussed as roadies, but most folks you find on a challenging trail will occasionally stop to rest and glare at the next patch of uphill rocks, etc, in their way. The trail is narrow, and if you don't interact with other users, there'll be trouble.
But once roadies stop, at SAG stops for example, or at traffic lights, I find they're friendly, like to talk about bikes, and very accepting of my strange set of wheels. And I'm occasionally amazed when one will drop in behind me or alongside, and strike up a conversation.
|Mountain bikers aren't so different||Spoke Wrench|
May 25, 2001 8:23 AM
|I can recall several times struggling up an uphill singletrack section only to meet head on some guys romping the downhill. They caused me to move off my line, and consequently dab, without so much as a word of recognition. I can understand their reluctance to slow on the downhill, but I think its pretty rude not to at least acknowledge that I did them a favor by yielding the line.
They have the same fred vs. poser dress & equipment issues too. The mountain bike dress code is every bit as strict and a LOT more situationally complicated than the one that roadies use.
|we do this for various reasons||freespirit|
May 24, 2001 4:05 PM
|I used to run track in high school and college. If I were out doing repeat 400's, no one would even think twice of waving or even smiling. We were out there for serious business, and everyone knew it. Same thing for lots of sports.
Some people just cruise along riding a bike, enjoying the scenery, talking to each other, etc. Others, at least at times, are getting in serious, strenous, workouts. They just happen to occupy the same roads. They may be focused, as HH said.
Don't forget that there are as many objectives, personalities, and, for that matter, moods, as there are cyclists. Cycling is not as nearly homogeneous as some might think. Has little to do with friendliness of an entire category of riders.
|there's no excuse||allaround|
May 24, 2001 5:07 PM
|Actually, I think, there is no excuse for being a jerk out there. In the US our sport is hurting in popularity as is, we need to be accepting and encouraging of all, who want to participate. There is are many aspects of cycling, that can be enjoyed and benefitted from. Anyway, on those long endurance rides, who can stay that focused? I love comapany on those rides. If you ride alot, it can get lonely out there.|
|True, be friendly, but||Purple Frog|
May 24, 2001 5:47 PM
|I don't think its fair for those of us who enjoy getting a serious workout in to slow down and the like just to keep a converstaion with someone else.
If someone tries to drop you, it might not be on purpose, they just might be training, so I don't usually give it a second thought if I can't keep up, or vice versa.
But true, be a friendly as possible (without just being a plain wierdo : ).
|re: Roadies are elitist.||Alan B|
May 24, 2001 6:08 PM
|I don't think there's any excuse for "attitude" at a stop signal or rest break. If one thing comes through on this board, it really isn't about the bike, but about the riding of it at whatever skill level you're at. On the ride it's different. If I can say "good morning" as I pass, I do, but I'm not going to slow from 20 to 10 to say hi. Slower folks I blow by without comment, not because I'm better than them, but because I'm not going to break my pace and they wouldn't in all likelyhood understand whatever I say at a high speed differential.|
|re: Roadies are elitist.||Dutchy|
May 24, 2001 7:45 PM
|I must agree with Alan on this point. I say hi to someone if they are travelling at a similar pace. Usually its just a quick "G'day" then head down and keep pedalling. The main reason for the abruptness, is I dont want to slow for a conversation. I made the mistake once (while racing aginst my personal best time) to say to a guy on a mountain bike "How are you?". Which in Australia is a rhetorical question. Well 5 minutes later I finally got back up to speed. Now i know it's not the end of the world, but if like me you race against the clock it can be annoying to slow for a conversation. I'm not being rude, I just have one goal while riding and that is to ride as fast a I possibly can to beat my PB.
|"there's a time to @$&!, and a time to crave...||Haiku d'état|
May 25, 2001 7:18 AM
|...but the shah sleeps in lee harvey's grave."
let me know if anyone has a reference to that.
would say that there's a time to ride fast and devour others in the group (and a time to get crushed!), and there's a time to ride casually and enjoy the scenery. all depends on mood and goals. the local club has a slow & go social ride on weekend mornings that's good for newbies, those on comfort bikes, and those just wanting to get out of the house, not to mention folks that travel at a slower pace, or ones who are feeling more social. this group normally fragments, with riders spread in two or three main groups across miles of the route. then, there are the faster group members/groups, and they're all sharks. mmmm...challenge!
don't pigeonhole myself into either "class" of rider, i enjoy different rides in different states of mind. riding with the slow & social group can be fun, because you can pull a few out on the hills or straightaways, depending upon who's in the mood to play.
|The Butthole Surfers (nm)||B. Bunter|
May 25, 2001 10:01 AM
|your pick...medal, cookie or gold star next to ya name. (NM)||Haiku d'état|
May 25, 2001 12:07 PM
|There's no metaphysics on earth like a good cookie -Pessoa (nm)||B. Bunter|
May 25, 2001 1:13 PM
|agree 95%||Duane Gran|
May 25, 2001 8:04 AM
|I agree with you on many points, but I believe there is room for compromise on certain types of rides. I don't know about your specific training regimen, but mine has recovery rides where I'm at liberty to be more social. On these rides I occassionally invite junior riders on my team. It is actually a nice mental break from the intensity of training on other days, however if someone wants to have a conversation on a day when I'm doing intervals that is bad news. If I'm on the recovery period I politely explain that I'm doing some specific solo training, and if I'm on the "burn side" of the interval I don't even answer or acknowledge others. I figure some people get the wrong impression sometimes, but there is a time for single minded intensity, even if that isn't socially polite.|
|I agree with you 100%||B. Bunter|
May 25, 2001 8:48 AM
|The main reason for my post is that there appears to be a lack of appreciation for roadies with a more competative spirit. They get labeled as snobs, stuck up, a$$holes, etc. by the more recreational type rider. My point is that some of us out there are looking for a challenge and enjoy it. One of the things I enjoy most is trying to crush someone on a long hill, only to have them stick like glue and then make me suffer until both our heads explode. After that things usually become a little more social. But I've found people are usually much more competitve if you cop an attitude instead of being "friendly". When I'm looking for a challenge I'm going to ride with an attitude to provoke a little competition. But I also agree that recovery rides are a great time to be social and a time to help less experienced riders get up to speed. In all everything has it's time and place, and just because someone's on a different page doesn't mean they're a jerk.|| |