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Passion is gone, due to fellow roadies(32 posts)

Passion is gone, due to fellow roadieszades
May 24, 2001 10:14 AM
Sorry for being so wordy but I need to say this. My passion for the road has faded. I have ridden for years, 20+. I have come to realize that so called freds are true cyclists. They enjoy their sport and do not need to follow.
I wear the cycling shorts, but wear "gym shorts" over them. Personally, I don't like the look of cycling clothes. Nothing wrong with them its just not for me. I wear my glasses inside my helmet straps, because that's how I do it. .. Please don't get me wrong; I don't need to be everyone's friend, but this past spring all the roadies seem like Asxhxxxs. At first I thought that it didn't matter how I looked, true cyclists would understand it was the passion. The desire within and not that "I ride because .." I thought I had all the right equipment, strong desire and a reasonable engine (avg of 17-18mph). The bike is not bad either, Bianchi - Boron XL.
What I'm trying to say is this past spring EVERY cyclist that I have come into contact with has been rude. They killed my passion. There was an unsaid ROADIE THING, at one time. We all just knew(similar to-its a jeep thing).
Example, I stopped at the herring run this spring and a group ride stopped to view the herring also. I tried to start up conversation but got looked up and down, shorts and a cotton tee. I must admit the older gentleman did say a few words. It was the looks I received that made me realize I rather ride with MTB riders. At least they smile back. There have been many other situations like this. Roadies need to return the nods, smiles and waves. I don't want to be your friend, but use your manners.
Doug Sloan Rules.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesJon Billheimer
May 24, 2001 10:33 AM
Too bad. We're not all like that. Really. Surely to god there are some decent roadies in your area. How about a Masters club? Please don't quit because there are immature, self-centred jerks around. Remember all the good reasons you ride. Read or re-read Keith's post. Riding is part of WHO WE ARE. Ride on, gym shorts, t-shirts, and all.
@ssholes are @ssholes no matter what they ride.Largo
May 24, 2001 5:28 PM
Some people just take themselves and the sport WAY too seriously.
In my experience, it seems the most seriuos riders, regardlees of speed, tend to be the friendliest, while the ones who pose, that is, always have the newest, lightest, snazziest clothing, tend to be so insecure that they act like jerks to other riders outside their group, until you shell 'em, that is.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesBill J. Pappas
May 24, 2001 10:40 AM
Don't give up this wonderful sport because of what some pompous ass!@$s who are also in the sport think about, or perceive you to be! Every sport has its good/bad elements within it, a reflection on life itself for all intents and purposes!
Do you enjoy riding for what you gain from it, or are you trying in someway to garner other peoples approval, while you ride? In life we all move within our own different circles(Its too bad that we all can't just get along, but c'est la vie!). I enjoy cycling for what I gain from it, and as such if that won't let me fit in with others,who are either in the same or different sport, then so be it, I couldn't care any less. If I come across other like minded individuals, then thats great,we do the meet-greet while we ride. If I come across any with the "I'm better than you" snob attitude, I don't give them a second thought! Ride what you want, wear what you like on a ride, go as far, or as fast/slow as you want, but just ride, and enjoy yourself!
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesMeDotOrg
May 24, 2001 10:59 AM
Perhaps it is because cycling is not respected as a sport by much of America that road cyclists are such snobs. After nearly being smashed buy inconsiderate drivers, maybe the only way they feel they can assert themselves is buy establish a pecking order within road cyclists.

I know...I've experienced the same thing many times. Sometimes I think it would be great to get a bike with a custom frame and have Huffy or Firenze decals on it, then watch the look on some guy's face as I pass his Italian flavor-of-the-month.

I think road cyclists need to get more in touch with the joy of cycling, and be less concerned about image, competition, and pecking order.
People are people...roadies or notDelia
May 24, 2001 10:59 AM
Hey man, don't mind those snobs. It's not about the bike, the shorts, the jerseyes, or the glasses...we all know this. It's about the rider. Some people never get it and think that if you look the look then and only then are you the real thing. Pardon my french but who gives a flying F*?%$ what they think. Everyone's becoming more rude these days. People get caught in their own little bubble and because they can't get out, decide it is the best place to be.
Know what you're talking aboutBrian C.
May 24, 2001 11:12 AM
I've had the same experience: F*ck 'em if they can't take a joke.

Keep the faith!
Waaaaaaaahh, people aren't nice to me. So what.J.S.
May 24, 2001 11:15 AM
It's almost like you set yourself up to be a victim, judging everybody by how they react to you. I ride my bike to ride my bike, not to be a "true cyclist" . It's hilarious that you use elitist terms like "roadie thing" and "true cyclist" and then complain to be a victim of this elitist mentality, jeez. sell your bike and buy some golf clubs.
I agreeUnderdog
May 24, 2001 11:28 AM
Maybe after 20+ years of tharepy you will make a roadie comback. Or maybe you can become a little less sensitive. You decide.
Waaaaaaaahh, people aren't nice to me. So what.zades
May 24, 2001 11:37 AM
You and i think the same, I dont care about you or your feelings.
sold my road bike for bmx, you wouldnt be able to handle that type of racing ( little banging , sharp elbows)or that type of crowd, fiendly. They or we dont like your type. You do your miles and i"m sure you will make it to where...nothing.
Excuse me, but my orginal post was meant to make your community (roadies) aware of your unsocial - social skills. Again, I dont care about you or your feeling. Just a note to let you know thats roadies are seen as ..... and they deserve it. I road for years then this happened and my teenage boys said dad come race with us. I did
BMX huh, raced for 10 years.J.S.
May 24, 2001 12:06 PM
against guys like Loncarevich, in So.Cal. Moved on to MTB DH and X-C, bought a road bike for training and ride that a bunch. I'm a bike rider, not a "roadie" or any other narrow minded classification. If it's got two wheels I'll ride it, as long as it's fun.
Here, Here, JS! (nm)Jim Burton
May 24, 2001 12:43 PM
well saidHank
May 24, 2001 3:56 PM
in the last two days I've ridden my road bike, my mtb and my Schwinn 3 speed to the store for beer... I ride my road bike with black mtb socks on cool days and my mtb with white roadie socks on hot days.
Where have you been?mike mcmahon
May 24, 2001 4:15 PM
It's good to hear from you. I'd ask if you've been too busy to post, but from the sound of it, you've been lounging. It's funny you should mention riding a bike to get beer. In all my years of riding and all my years of drinking, I never rode my anyplace to have a drink until last Sunday. I got home from a long road ride, hosed the dried mud of my mountain bike, put on the mtb shoes and and old pair of casual shorts, and rode over to a local watering hole. I sat out in the sun and watched the people go by while enjoyinng a couple of Anchor Steams. Take care.
Where have you been?Hank
May 25, 2001 9:42 AM
I check in from time to time but not as much as I used to. I actually meant to the store for beer - put the groceries in my messenger bag. My next purchase is going to be a big old front basket for the bike. That old early 70s Schwinn is fun. Bought it a few months ago for $70 in barely used shape. Took it apart and re-greased everything (headset and hubs were totally dry). Works pretty well. I'm thinking of looking for the same model now but with the 2-speed kick-back coaster brake hub.
The a**es are still the vast minority...Wayne
May 24, 2001 11:25 AM
This will be my third year of racing, so I'm relatively new to the sport. I almost quit when I first started just because of the elitist, my shit don't stink, I'm better than you attitude that seemed so prevalent among roadies. But come on, I enjoy racing I'm not going to let other people spoil it for me. Just laugh at them, because they really are a joke, trying to prop their fragile egos up with feelings of superiority. As I've met more and more roadies, most are pretty laid back and cool people, some are uptight but not real a**es and then a few are the obnoxious ones I think your referring to. The sad thing is almost everyone I know of involved in road cycling is well aware of the elitist phenomenon, so it's not as isolated as one would hope. Just surround yourself with the cool people and have a good laugh at the snobs.
divorce them CODBreck
May 24, 2001 11:39 AM
don't stay in abusive relationships. get new friends have your same likes, etc. it ain't a word thing. it's a mind set. don't let others, nor the bike, control your life. live it up. it's the only one you got. bikes cannot control who rides them, but you can control who you choose to ride with, what ever the bike. are all herrings red?

cheers
Quitting definitely sounds like the answermr_spin
May 24, 2001 12:02 PM
First of all, let me say up front I ride road and mountain. I love them both. I suspect most other riders do as well. The days of roadie vs. mountain are long gone, thank god.

Hey, if you don't have the desire anymore, maybe that's the real reason. And that's cool, because I get burned out every once in a while, too. But your story just doesn't wash with me. You sound like one of those old roadies who looked down on mountain bikers in the "old" days. Now you're on the other side of the old stupid argument witht the same antiquated attitude.

Go ahead and MTB for a while. I think you'll find that many of the "friendly" people you meet there are the same "unfriendly" bunch that caused you to quit road riding.

Sometimes I ride by myself (MTB and road) for my own reasons. I'm not very social on these rides, but I'm certainly not mean. I'm out to train, not make friends. I am too concentrated on the task at hand.

If I want to be social, I ride with my friends, which is most of the time, actually. Still, when we ride, it's not like we're tooling around Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, saying "howdy" to everyone with an exaggerated wave motion.
Smooth spin wins. Hard grind whines.B. Bunter
May 24, 2001 12:41 PM
I can distinguish a good cyclist on a beater from just a plain beat rider simply by their spin. So if you're a good rider, the Europhile spandex people copping attitudes aren't probably all that, and it seems that natural selection is working perfectly well. You're avoiding people you wouldn't want to ride with anyways. In the end I don't really see that there's much to complain about. But at the same time, if you're going to dress like a novice (which you admit to), don't be surprised if people treat you like one at first. We're only human and first impressions do count.
Smooth spin wins. Hard grind whines.Jim Burton
May 24, 2001 1:00 PM
I agree. The dress, while sometime flashy, is mostly functional. I wouldn't be caught dead in a silly bib short and jersy say, at work, but on the bike, they look, and more importantly FEEL right. Bike shorts are non-restrictive and jerseys are sweat wicking and can be unzipped (unlike cotton T's and shorts) When you dress like you aren't serious, expect to not be taken seriously until you prove yourself. I once attended (to watch only) a pro/cat1/cat2 cyclocross race. This one guy was wearing a bowling shirt and rode a mountain bike with flat pedals. He was thouroughly laughed at, until he lapped the ENTIRE field, even second place,...TWICE!! After the race we learned that his dress was a protest. He had just been dropped by his sponser, hence the non-discript bowling shirt. In addition, he couldn't afford spds and riding in road shoes was impossible, so he threw on a pair of rubber platforms from a little girl's banana seat bike to make himself look even more silly. He proceeded to win every race in the 'cross season (after picking up another sponser and new pedals). HE can dress however he wants and doesn't get laughed at. Mere mortals have to either fit in, or have a great sense of humor. Either way, ride to ride...not to socialize.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesLen J
May 24, 2001 12:50 PM
Sorry that the actions of a few have stolen your Passion. Unfortunately, as in all collections of humans, there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. I get miffed when I pass a roadie going the other way and don't even get a wave. It happens.

But I never quite get over the feeling of riding just after sunup on a nice spring day, quiet, only sound is the wind, still, no cars, little movement, At peace & one with the bike, so tuned into each part of my body........Alive. This is what keeps me riding. The nice people that I meet along the way is only an added bonus.

Hope you find the feeling back, anyone who rode for 20+ years had it.

Good Luck & good riding....whatever kind reminds you of why you ride.
you meet better class of people on singletrackclub
May 24, 2001 1:00 PM
friendlier folks ride dirt. when I'm on my road bike and I wave and say howdy to a roadie going the other way and the rider looks right thru me and doesn't so much as nod or wave or answer, I sometimes turn around, chase him down, come right up on his elbow and say "guess you didn't hear me, I said "howdy". Then say "have a nice ride," turn around, and continue on my way.
Complete BSgrz mnky
May 24, 2001 1:31 PM
What a crock of sh!t. Are Beavis and Butthead banned from riding single track in your neck of the woods? They're not in ours.

It used to be that the MTB world was cool and friendly world, now it's pretty much like the road. The only reason why people seem friendlier is b/c there's more stopping involved and it's hard for some not to acknowledge the presence of another human being enjoying themselves. The roadies still lead at the extreme for being unfriendly, but in fairness some are training at or near A.T. heart rate and it would be difficult to even acknowledge their own mother, let alone some yahoo Gomer Pyle type. Also, the consequences of making a mistake are a lot more severe on the road.

Fact is many of the single track types also ride road bikes. It's just that not all of the roadies ride MTBs. So some of those roadies that you disparage are really the same "better class" of people that you meet on the trails. How can this be?

Being friendly is one thing, but are you really that insecure and have such a need for acceptance that you must be acknowledged at all times like a child?

You ride b/c it should bring personal enjoyment wheather or not someone acknowledges or looks down/up at you is irrelevant.
Complete BSJim Burton
May 24, 2001 1:44 PM
At the risk of sounding like the little dog in the Warner Brother's cartoon jumping all around the larger "Spike", I once again agree with you whole heartedly Grz Mnky! I have encountered some of the most incredibly crappy people on the trails. Talk about elitism! These guys are worse than surfers! (no offense to the very nice older longboarders!) "Get off my wave!...Get off my track!..." It's the same brand of people.
consequences more severe on road?club
May 24, 2001 6:23 PM
you must have some hairy pavement routes and some pretty mellow singletrack; up here in the Rockies we ride singletrack with exposure where one false move can send ya sailing downward for hundreds of feet. Only road I know like that goes over Red Mountain Pass, which we also ride, but the road's a durned sight wider than the singletrack.
consequences more severe on road?grz mnky
May 25, 2001 11:04 AM
So you picked and extreme example - there will always be exceptions. When was the last time someone actualy died on your route?

My comment was targeted more towards the concept that your average crash on a road bike is going to suck a whole lot more than an average crash on a MTB. Crash on the MTB you usually get back up, laugh and get riding. Crash on a road bike and not too many people are laughing and you're usually hurting. Also, trees usually don't decide to do something stupid and cut you off and then squish you b/c they're drunk. You hear about a lot more road bikers getting killed than MTB's. What could be more severe?

In fairness I've taken ambulance rides for both road and MTB crashes, but the road crashes usualy take longer to recover from.
Like you, for example?mr_spin
May 24, 2001 3:04 PM
You are one classy guy. Chasing down someone who doesn't acknowledge you? Wow. What an egotistical jerk. Do you drive that way? Do you shop that way? If a woman doesn't acknowledge you in a club, do you get in her face? I would be very surprised if someone hasn't kicked your ass already.
Don't take it all so personally.Abadamus
May 24, 2001 1:48 PM
I am not by any means a "true cyclist," but I have encountered numerous people on road bikes (does that make you a roadie?) who do not say hello or nod. Who cares? Just because you are on a road bike does that entitle you to a 1/2 second greeting from everyone you enounter? I always say hi if someone else does, but gees, I sure don't say hello to everyone. I bike alone for now, and for me it is a spiritual communion between mind and body. When I got my first road bike last year, I just loved the peaceful connection between me, my body and my bike. Excuse me if I don't want to include you in my experience of the world. I enjoy my alone time on my bike, and couldn't care less if people don't want to say hi (nor do I think less of them for keeping to themselves). It's not rude at all - I almost think it rude to bother everyone you pass by with acknowledgemnts. I don't acknowledge or make small talk with everyone I meet at the grocery store - even though we are all buying groceries and pushing a cart around (thus a member of the grocery store cult ethic). Biking (mountain or road) is the same way for me. Sure the world might be a friendlier place (I stress might as I would get exceedingly annoyed saying hello hundreds of time a day). If people are "rude" who cares? You will likely never see them again, and even if you do, you don't have to make the same mistake of bothering them. Bottom line: other people's conduct (especially whom you will not deal with frequently) as a reason for giving up road biking is ridiculous as not all people are the same - and I have read many posts from people here who seem very nice.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesGroucho Marx
May 24, 2001 2:16 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about. Around here, I can't even go out for a five minute ride without getting in a conversation with guys I haven't even met. Man, you must live in a pretty stinking neck of the woods when other riders (who usually realize that they look just as ridiculous as you do, and that we're all in the same boat) make fun of you for not wearing spandex. Of course there are arrogant riders out there. But don't forget, being abnoxious is not a roadie thing, its a people thing. Around here most of the roadies are older guys (30+). They're nice guys cuz they AREN't arrogant or abnoxious; they've had a good 30+ years to grow up. Around here, most of the mountain bikers are also nice guys guys cuz they're generally under 30, and just fun to be around. And if you are trying to get away from a sport where people are concerned about "image", then BMX is not the way to go.

If you just want to point out what you think are other people's faults by labelling them with stereotypes, and then chalk it off as "making them aware of their unsocial skills", then you're part of the problem you find so offensive. So don't be so self-righteous: you're no martyr. (sorry, I'm just a little defensive of a sport I enjoy so much, and wish others could enjoy just as much.) I would cross out what I just said, but I won't, well cuz it was genuine.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesZADES
May 24, 2001 4:01 PM
I may not have expressed myself the way I wanted in the first post. Its not about friends, I dont want to be your friend. I find that common courtesy is not there. So how can we, all types of riders expect non bikers to return common courtesy.
I know that spinning and acknowleding a friendly gesture is multi tasking but come on, riding isnt rocket science (except for all you rockets out there).
With so many unfriendly people (again,I dont want to be your friend) people need to have common courtesy. I say hello to people at work whom I dont know personally, but see them daily in the hallway.
For some reason the past few encounters, as stated in my original post, have made me believe that the new generation of riders need to be use common courtesy. And if you are taining so hard that it takes away from a nod, please be safe and be aware of cars.
Many riders here are serious it seems, but dont be so serious that you forget about commom courtesy. Its not about who i ride with or riding, its about people. Lets face it you all care about riding or else you would not be on this web page. And if you didnt care about other riders you wouldnt be here.
Tough crowd. .
I sure wont post again. Im afraid.

some of us need to get over ourselfs. Me too.
re: Passion is gone, due to fellow roadiesMark Hollander
May 24, 2001 7:06 PM
I have ridden road bikes for 6/7 years and have always given a nod or quick wave to people riding opposite direction. I usually say high to people I'm passing. But recently I have noticed other roadies don't respond to my waves, not even old guys. At first I thought they were being rude ( they probably are, most of these people aren't going that fast). But I find myself a little aprehensive about giving a wave knowing I probably won't get a response. I have pretty much decided now to stop waving, after all I don't wave to every car that goes by. Although having said that, when I owned an MX-5 years ago other MX-5 drivers would always give a wave. I think the wave is just a friendly hello to acknowledge someone who has similar interests. It's the same when I walk my dog, most people will say "Hi" as they go past. The wave thing is a pesonal choice, but don't stop riding if you don't get acknowledged, it's not that important.
should have opposite reactionfreespirit
May 25, 2001 7:30 AM
Lance gets seriously pissed off at attitudes and attacks on him. Get pissed off at them, train more, and go beat the pants off them. Read his book, "It's Not About the Bike".

Success is the best revenge.