|Other side of coin: Best driver auto models?||128|
May 23, 2001 11:41 AM
|We've discussed the worst:
-Wealthy too big suburban SUV "I own the roads."
-Low and slow, men in powder blue fishing hats (with pastel hat bands)Can only see the hat.
-Men in general (geez we cause alot of trouble), especially the young ones. Smahtin up zippaheads!!
-VET plates, and handicap, Altogether different set of rules there...(gotta have patience there, and I do, I do)
-and all the usual suspects (cell phones -Darwins last call-)
Now the best, Top Three:
-VW Golf (adorned with Thule racks and mysterious window stickers)
-VW Microbus (pre-smoke out miles)
-VW Jetta (pre-2000 model, something happened after that year....)
(Do we sense a Teutonic bias here...?)
-ok I'll elect all makes of two seater top down Sunday drivers to the list...
Share the road
|People in beat up old cars||mike mcmahon|
May 23, 2001 11:52 AM
|My experience is that people in beat-up old cars who appear to be on the lower end of the pay scale are the safest drivers when it comes to cycling. Who knows why? Maybe they don't consider themselves to be as important as the Mercedes driver who doing 70 in a 35 mph zone because he is late for his 10:00 tee-time at the club. Maybe it's the fact that some of them are driving uninsured and are extra cautious because of the trouble that an accident may bring. It doesn't really matter to me why they give me a wide berth, as long as they do it.|
|SAAB 96 3cyclinder 2stroke||MeDotOrg|
May 23, 2001 12:08 PM
|...the original radical college professor car...|
|that was the Saab 95||club|
May 23, 2001 1:23 PM
|I useta had one, a 1966 model 95, with 3 on the tree, and the infamous freewheeling option. then I got a model 96, 1968, with the V-4 euro Ford engine in it, and 4 on the tree, also w/ freewheeling. Man I miss those cars, specially the V-4, that thing rocked if ya kept up the revs, usedta drive it rally style, catching air on whoops and 4-wheel drifting on snowpacked roads. I'm lucky to be alive. Guy down the road from me owns like a dozen 95s/96s a couple of Sonnets and some station wagons.|
|They made a 2-stroke 96 for a while...||MeDotOrg|
May 23, 2001 2:41 PM
|You're right - SAAB did start selling 96s with a V-4, but they made 2-stroke 96s for quite a while.
(God, I love the internet! You can find anything!)
I still remember carrying around a case of oil in my trunk. There was a little light that came on the gas gauge that let you know when it was okay to fillerup and add a can of oil (and maintain the right gas/oil mixture). You could get amazing gas mileage on the freeway with the freewheeling clutch, but driving in San Francisco without compression braking could be a little unnerving...that's when SAABs were truly iconoclastic...
|SAAB 96 3cyclinder 2stroke||Bart S.|
May 23, 2001 3:08 PM
|Radical to be sure - two stroke, three cylinder, free wheeling, and a hand pumped windshield washer. Plus it would never start in the rain.
But it WAS a lot of fun.
|Forget the Saab-How about the Citroen 2CV?||mike mcmahon|
May 23, 2001 9:16 PM
|I don't know if Deux Chevaux (sp?) drivers are any better than anyone else, but in a collision between a 2CV and a cyclist, my guess is that the driver is more likely to end up injured than the cyclist. You've got to love a car with 2 cylinders.|
|Well then, what about and Isetta or a Messerschmit?||MeDotOrg|
May 23, 2001 10:10 PM
|I always loved the style of the 2CV, especially when done in 2-tone paint. Check out this restored one:
They actually sold them in the US up until the 1980s.
But a 2CV in a crash with Isetta? Mon ami, I believe they'd be playing La Marseillaise, as the French driver emerged triumphant...
...but a Messerschmit would fear a 1950's Schwinn....
|That's awesome||mike mcmahon|
May 23, 2001 10:17 PM
|I love the step-by-step photos of the restoration of the 2cv. The final product looks great. I haven't seen a 2cv on the road for probably close to 10 years now and won't be surprised if I never see another: too bad. The Isetta is a new one on me. Were they actually in mass-production?|
|Yeah (if I remember correctly), Isettas were made in Italy...||MeDotOrg|
May 23, 2001 10:49 PM
|...with a motorcycle engine from BMW. BMW's other plants were destroyed by Allied bombing in WWII. (The BMW logo - the circle with the blue and white quadrants - is actually a stylized propeller).
Here's a link to a history page:
Maybe it's because I live in San Francisco, but I'm a sucker for small cars. BMW is bring back the Mini next year (it's the only part of Rover Motors they kept). Looking forward to that!
May 23, 2001 10:39 PM
|a guy in my high school class had a little doodlebug from, I think, Czechoslovakia, or Bulgaria, one of dem commie countries, called "Wartbird" that's how it was pronounced, not sure if that's how it was spelled, likely not, I forget. I took my driver's test in my dad's Morris Minor 1000, how cool is that?|
May 23, 2001 11:09 PM
|Supposedly in the months after the fall of East Germany, the highways were littered with abandoned Trabants. They were so awful as automobiles, they are now used as concept art...
Morris Minor...a car with real fenders...(sigh)
|What about the Lada?||mike mcmahon|
May 23, 2001 11:12 PM
|Did any Ladas ever make it over to the States from the USSR. As I recall, the Lada facility was set-up by the folks at Fiat and run by the Soviet government. Now if that isn't a recipe for disaster. . .|
|What about the Lada?||MeDotOrg|
May 24, 2001 8:52 AM
|Some were sold in Canada. I believe the Lada was pretty much a Fiat 124, made with some special anodized Russian Steel that was more salt and rust-resistant than normal Fiats (which is why, I'm guessing, they thought there would be a market in Canada).
Otherwise the car was the usual testiment to Fiat and collectivism quality :-)
|What about the Lada?||muncher|
May 24, 2001 8:59 AM
|Correct, they were all Fiat based, but without the relaibility and quality components and construction. See also FSA for more of similar. Hard to believe that Ladas are now made by VW....|
|Warburgs and stuff||muncher|
May 24, 2001 8:57 AM
|What about Trabants - bodies actually made of compressed cardboard hand painted, with 2 cy lawnmower engines producing a massive 9.5 HP. You could wait 20 yrs for one before the wall came down...|
|Kurt Vonnegut and Saabs||mike mcmahon|
May 23, 2001 10:50 PM
|I once read an interview with Vonnegut where he claimed that he owned the second Saab dealership in the U.S. As I recall the story, he saw a car-carrier truck rolling along with a load of funny-looking little cars he had never seen before. He followed the truck and questioned the driver about his load. Once he found out what they were, he contacted someone at Saab and got a dealership. At least that was the story he told.|
|Those that are in the garage?||Len J|
May 23, 2001 12:11 PM
1.)Any car (not SUV) with a bike rack on the roof.
2.)Oncoming is usually better than passing.
3.)Old VW Bettle's. You can hear them coming.
4.)Just about anything driven by a hard core roadie.
|Any car driven by a cyclist(nm)||Dave Hickey|
May 23, 2001 12:12 PM
May 23, 2001 1:15 PM
|We could probably have a significant reduction in all types of accidents if everyone rode bikes. think about what happens when you make a mistake in a car, now think about making the same mistake on a bike.|
|all about the golden rule...and not "before they do unto you"||Haiku d'état|
May 23, 2001 1:40 PM
|i've always thought waiting tables at a less-than-high-class establishment, for more than six months, and depending upon that income to live, should be mandatory for ALL persons before the age of 18. having waited tables and had to deal with complete pr1cks that have had a bad day and are going to take it out on ya and leave change for a tip, or those that are just that way by nature, and done this without any assaults or homicides on my permanent record, i think this would really teach us all a few things about respect for others.
i'll tell you this: don't ride and insult the server, leave a bad tip (or none at all), and then come back and sit in that person's section. instant karma.
same holds true for riding, going to the grocery, using a payphone, you get the idea. i gave some re-consideration to the guy on the cellphone the other day that sat in front of me at the 4-way stop while six other cars went through was a jackass, when i saw him detour his mercedes onto a side road and pullover to finish his cellphone conversation...until i noticed he'd pulled over with his passenger side wheels in someone's yard.
|d'accord. But my theory includes working the deli counter....||128|
May 23, 2001 1:59 PM
|Everyone should have to work behind the deli counter at some point. That is where "the shoe on the other foot' is indellibly implanted on your ass and hence your alot less likey to implant others when a good dose of patience would do...
I wonder if we share any other bizarre social policy proposals...=:.
|i won't even start on my thoughts about one-time mandatory LSD||Haiku d'état|
May 23, 2001 2:27 PM
|i won't even start on my thoughts about one-time mandatory LSD||128|
May 24, 2001 6:38 AM
|I think we might belong to the same party....|
|or, we might have been AT the same party (LOL) NM||Haiku d'état|
May 24, 2001 7:06 AM
May 24, 2001 12:45 PM
|In my experience, Subaru drivers show a lot of courtesy...maybe because a lot of cyclists drive 'em, I don't know. BTW, I drive a VW Passat.
And Freespirit, man, lighten up, ok? It's an entertaining thread related to road cycling, and it's not like we're turning firehoses on Freedom Marchers or anything. Wow, have fun burning off that anger on your bike ride to the next meeting of the Perpetually Indignant.
|Teenage boys in small trucks. Or Teen girls in Camry on cell(nm)||WC2|
May 23, 2001 8:53 PM
|Oops...those are in the worst category(nm)||WC2|
May 23, 2001 8:54 PM
|these threads are stupid||freespirit|
May 24, 2001 10:55 AM
|Don't mean to insult any particular person, but come on, generalizing about people because of the vehicle they drive? That's not only a bad way of looking at life, but likely totally unsubstantiated, too.
Would you want people thinking you are also an inconsiderate bastard because you ride a bike, after a driver a month ago saw a group of cyclists blow through an intersection or got stuck behind some Critical Mass protest in downtown San Francisco? Course not.
Prejudice and hateful generalizations (redundant, I know) are bad, no matter who the target. Some of the nicest, most careful drivers I know drive the cars some of you associate with road criminals, and vice versa.
I get really tired of seeing this sort of crap anywhere, but especially here, where we should be sharing information and the joys of cycling. I'm disgusted.