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How to keep from being a poseur, without being a Fred???(23 posts)

How to keep from being a poseur, without being a Fred???FrequentNameChanges
May 20, 2001 4:48 PM
How does one avoid these two extremes? What is a happy medium?

One thing that bothers me, is when people slap poseur tag on someone with a nice bike if they aren't a great racer. I have a nice bike(i did buy it used though), and I've only been riding a short while. I have a job which affords me a the abilty to own a nice bike and equipment, but keeps me from riding as much as i want, a paradox many of us have Im sure.
Much A do About Nothin'Stickers
May 20, 2001 5:11 PM
Like Your Bike? Like to ride it, hang it on the wall and look at it? Like to think about it? Check it out! It's Your Life! Go for it!
Just Ride..........Cora
May 20, 2001 9:09 PM
When I was younger, I really cared what people thought of me and the label of poseur would have been crushing.
While still young enough (mid 30's), I'm also mature enough now that I just don't care.
I ride a Moots Ti with Dura Ace and Ksyriums. Hard to imagine spending more on a bike. I ride every chance I get, I love it and would ride more if I had the opportunity (I have a 3 yr old boy and a career, enough said). I don't race, but I shave the legs and ride an extremely nice bike because I consider myself committed. If someone wants to call me a posseur, I could frankly give a sh___t.
Ride buddy, and have a great time doing it.
I agree!Cartman
May 21, 2001 10:41 AM
If you like it do it! There is probably a bit of fred in all of us, and we all act fredish at times, but who cares! If I was really concerned about what people thought, I would probalby not be caught dead in my Team Mapei matching shorts and shirt, but I love the colors, and I don't care!
Cora: You still do really careMoe
May 21, 2001 1:09 PM
about what people think of you. (You just had to mention the Moots with Dura Ace and Kryriums and then go on to emphasize the cost)

You care so much that you needed to tell people (us) what you own.

You may not be a poser, but you really do give a sh*t.
At least I care enough to respond....Cora
May 21, 2001 9:26 PM
I only point out what I ride to put myself in the same category as the original poster. I guess my point is that I could ride around for hours feeling self concious about riding a nice bike but not being one of the elite riders in the area, but what's the point in that? I ride because I love it, and I ride a nice bike because I can. O'Tay?
Poor Fred ... how did his name get so tarnished?Humma Hah
May 21, 2001 8:48 AM
Having ridden bikes now for about 43 years, and during most of that time did not own a stitch of cycling related clothing, and NEVER a modern race-bike, the idea that it is somehow incorrect to ride a bicycle on anything less than a $2000 racebike and dressed like a TDF team member is foriegn to me. I've had a lifetime of enjoying riding as Fred.

A couple of months ago I was out for a ride. It was chilly, and since its NEVER chilly in San Diego, I had no long riding pants. So I reverted to my old standbys, a pair of tattered polyester slacks, perfectly comfortable, warm, and kept out of the cruiser's chainwheel by a velcro strap at the cuff. A long-sleeve shirt finished the outfit. On the ride, which had turned into a fairly brisk ride, I found a LiteSpeed with aero bars creeping up behind me and turned up the speed. I felt pretty good about holding him off until we got to chatting and it turned out he was on the last 10 miles of a 112-mile Iron Man training ride.

Anyway, he said I reminded him of an Australian term he'd picked up, "a wolf in Fred's clothing".

Its all about how you ride, not what or what you wear. I'd far rather ride dressed as Fred and ride well, than be the guy who finishes a century dressed to the nines on a $4000 carbon bike, only to see someone on a singlespeed cruiser, dressed in street clothes, relaxing at the finish.
Poor Fred ... how did his name get so tarnished?xxx
May 21, 2001 10:06 AM
Dear Fred, if you've never ridden a nice modern bike, you've no idea what you're missing. That's what makes freds so fun. (polyester pants? didn't I see you getting off the tour bus in Vegas?)
The trouble with trying to ride nice, new bikes is ...Humma Hah
May 21, 2001 2:48 PM
... none of them have platform pedals, and I don't have any clipless shoes, and nobody wants me to slap a set of platforms on their baby for a test ride. But I do get a chance occasionally. My assessment is, the brakes are very good on the new bikes, but otherwise I'm not overly impressed compared to higher quality bikes available three decades ago. There have been a few minor improvements, but we've had two wheels, two pedals, skinny tires, and drop bars for over a hundred years. Composite rims have been around that long, too (the composite material was cellulose/lignen, i.e. wood). And you could get 18-lb bikes back then, too. But now they have brakes and gears. I'm not knocking the new bikes -- some really nice hardware is available -- but the real question is the motor.

As for the polyester slacks, they're also highly recommended for rafting, much superior to jeans. Polyester dries faster.
The trouble with trying to ride nice, new bikes is
May 21, 2001 4:32 PM
My knowledge of rafting you could fit in a small can. However, I'd be willing to bet that not one rafting guide in the country would recommend polyester pants be worn (nor jeans). The insulating and waterproofness of a paper bag. And the chafing, at least while cycling?? Is it not unbearable? I wouldn't know...I will never ride in the stuff and I haven't worn it since about 6th grade when the Brady Bunch made it popular.

Sounds like you're a retro-grouch fred to me. .....whatever.....
The rafters on "The Yough" recommend it ...Humma Hah
May 22, 2001 8:35 AM
... a club I was in rafted a well-known river up in Pennsylvania (I don't have the exact spelling, it is called something that sounds like "the Yack"). The outfitter and guides specifically recommended polyester and specifically recommended AGAINST jeans (the cotton takes forever to dry). A well-worn pair are remarkably comfortable, and I can ride all day in them.

Polyester is not the ultimate fashion statement, I'll admit. But in my profession, hands-on engineering technology, you spend a lot of time rolling around on the floor, crawling on your knees, dribbling solder, working with greasy stuff, and otherwise ruining your clothes. Yet you're supposed to look at least moderately dressy at the start of the day. So having some cheap clothes available is a must. And cheap slacks are always polyester. Once ruined, they're more comfortable than jeans.
The trouble with trying to ride nice, new bikes is ...Skip
May 21, 2001 4:56 PM
Just don't wear them flying - cause if you C & B, the polyester melts to your skin. Sorry. Cotton T-shirts and jeans or shorts are better. (Also, careful of nylon in socks.)
Nomex ...Humma Hah
May 22, 2001 8:39 AM
... if you crash and burn, it usually is not much help what you're wearing. But Nomex is the best, and I've got my eye on a nice blue Nomex flight suit, suitable for wear in the Civil Air Patrol.

A chemist friend of mine prefers a cotton polyester blend, if he can find it (it used to be common but has been rare lately). Some of the solvents he works with will instantly melt polyester. Some of the acids will instantly eat cotton. If he wears the blend, he'll at least have SOMETHING hanging on his body after getting out of the emergency shower.
How about being both?peloton
May 21, 2001 10:05 AM
Think team bike, clothes, and all top notch equipment with hairy legs. Is it possible to be a Fred AND a poser?
I used to ride with a friend named Fredmike mcmahon
May 21, 2001 10:34 AM
I think this would be similar to being a surfer named "Kook." I think Fred finally gave up cycling at least in part because his name wasn't cycling-friendly. ;-) Actually, he just got married and lazy.
I used to ride with a friend named FredLazy
May 21, 2001 10:57 AM
HEY!!! I'm not married! :-)

Let's not forget our national road racing champ from a year ago. Wasn't his name Fred? I think I'd just call him sir.
What's Left?grz mnky
May 21, 2001 11:19 AM
In this world of sound bites, instant classification and categorization the only other label is "hard core cyclist". "Poseur" and "Fred" are epithets hurled be these self described HCC's from their moral high ground. It fits in perfectly with the "I am *too* OK, you're not" insecure person's model of self affirmation.

You'll notice that truly accomplished champions are secure with who they are, what they've accomplished and do not need to put others down. They've already proven everything and are secure with who they are.

My take: go out and enjoy riding your bike, no matter what it costs or what level of rider you are. Unless you're competing for money, medals, or titles all that matters is that you enjoy your ride. They can't take this away from you.
Here's the only real Fred I know of...amflyer
May 21, 2001 12:08 PM
Oh, really?Moe
May 21, 2001 1:48 PM
grz mnky says " not need to put others down"

Grz mnky, I have read posts from you that put others down, You, yourself, have said it is what you do to others here.
What's Your Point?grz mnky
May 21, 2001 4:59 PM
That I'm a hypocrite?

I said true champions don't need to prove themselves or put others down. I was making the point that in this MTV day and age of "Just Do the Dew" and extreme body piercing it's pretty common for all of us to judge and instantly categorize someone as cool/not cool because of course "I'm cool". I find a prime motivation for this categoriztion and instant labeling is insecurity. I was answering the original post that asked if there was some other life than being either a "fred" or a "poseur" (BTW in surfing a "Fred" is a "Barney" and the attitude is still the same). I made an attempt to answer the question in a purely philosophical approach, but without getting too heavy. It's sort of a funny thing that happens to me on Monday mornings following a great weekend.

I guess one would think that the assumption is that I am some sort of idealized champion of cycling minutia. I hate to break it to you kid, but I'm not. I'm just a regular joe who is passionate about somethings, cynical of lots, and likes to work/ride/play on bikes. What are you looking for Grz Mnky the Great, Saint Grz Mnky healer of flat tires? At times my wife believes I'm somehow related to Satan. Ask her. I prefer to think of myself as a perpetual hellion plain and simple. I don't mind pointing out when someone is being an ass, nor do I mind it when they do the same to me. We all make mistakes, I just hate making the same one twice.

I think it's pretty interesting some of the conclusions that people reach about me, but that's OK. I probably don't really exist....
What's Your Point?Mr Smithers
May 22, 2001 2:49 PM
You are a hypocrite.
John De, what happened to Ishmael?question???
May 21, 2001 5:48 PM
Since you keep changing your alias, you're getting harder to keep track of.
Ishmaelmike mcmahon
May 21, 2001 6:08 PM
Ishmael has actually been posting some comprehensible and helpful information on the board lately. He seems to have turned the corner and decided to be a productive member of the board.