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Who out there has 2 or more...seth1
May 18, 2001 10:11 AM
high-zoot bicycles, and what do you use each of them for?

I want a new bicycle but I can't really justify it. I don't need one, my bank account could survive the trauma, but....

My co-worker is buying a new bike and wants me to go with her to pick one out. DAMN IT!!!

What do you all do to statiate this hunger?
No shame in itBrian C.
May 18, 2001 10:23 AM
Some folks on this board have so many bikes you'd think they'd need a two-car garage. I get by with three: A roadie for the summer; a hybrid, which will now serve as a winter-beater; and the old, rusting '84 MTB, which will be pressed into duty should the other two get stolen.
A good bike is still way cheaper than a car.Largo
May 18, 2001 8:24 PM
Look at it this way, you could buy three custom Ti bikes, and still not come close to the price of a new car.
re: Who out there has 2 or more...Dan BB
May 18, 2001 10:42 AM
Have a C'Dale CADD4 R1000 that was my primary ride...went with my nephew to look at Serotta's...well...next thing I know we are both owners of Legend Ti's with all the high-zoot components (really high!!!). I ride the C'DALE in crappy weather and on the rollers, and the Legend all other times. I guess it's my "Sunday go to meetin'" bike. Now I need a bike for those overcast days...uummmm.....maybe a Krestel, Calfree....ummmmmmm

Dan
They're like Lay's potato chipspmf
May 18, 2001 10:45 AM
You can't have just one. Since different bikes ride differently, they're not perfect substitutes. You can set up bikes for commuting, climbing or riding fast on the flats. If you can afford it, you don't need to justify it. Everyone wastes their money on something. At least with biking, you're doing something healthy. Plus, most of us can't afford the sailboat, 5000 sq foot house, Ferrari, etc. But most of can afford a nice bike. My big problem is that I can't resist a good deal. What do I have?

1. Kestrel 200 Sci ... got it in 1993 and have replaced the original components with Dura Ace 2 years ago. Use it primarily for commuting.
2. Litespeed Ultimate (1999) ... got the frame and fork (Look HSC2) for $1600. Couldn't resist it.
3. Colnago C-40 (2001) ... was in Italy on my honeymoon last year. My wife was getting one at the bike shop there. They were a fairly good deal and so nice. Couldn't resist it.

I've also had a Fuji Cross that I sold after getting the C-40. I used this for commuting. I regret selling it now, but I wasn't crossing with it and I didn't need 4 bikes. I've also had a Cannondale 3.0 that I never regretted selling.
One bike? Who can get by with ONE BIKE?Cory
May 18, 2001 10:47 AM
I'd guess the average poster on this board has 3+. I'm not even that serious anymore, and I have five. Most of them are older, but I just added an Atlantis to the Allez, the Cannondale MB, the old Trek tourer/rain bike/commuter and the old Bridgestone mountain bike/commuter.
I wouldn't mind getting rid of one or two, but the old ones aren't worth much and it's nice to have something you can ride in the snow and leave outside the coffee place.
Just got my thirdDuane Gran
May 18, 2001 10:57 AM
After a nasty bout with a damaged fork, it underscored my need for a backup road bike. This is a sick, sick addiction. So, here is what I have these days:

* Trek 5200
* Giant TCR "team" ONCE
* Cannondale Super V 400 (mtn bike)

I like all three of them, and I would like to say this is enough, but I know that it won't be too long before I start looking again at the Cervello time trial bikes. As far how to satiate the hunger, your guess is good as mine, but I personally put a limit where I know that I'll ride all the bikes I own. If something collects dust, I get rid of it.
I am going to take heat as a name dropper....Thioderek
May 18, 2001 11:04 AM
This is what I have in my apartment:

1 Serotta 2000 (this bike is a prototype) track bike full Dura Ace

1 Dave Wynn track bike with Campy Pista Groupo

1 Aegis Carbon road bike with Campy Chorus

1 Aegis Carbon track bike with full Dura Ace

1 Vitus aluminum sitting in a corner

1 Cannondale with ooooollllldddd Shimano 600

1 Sanino track bike with old Campy

1 Gianni Motta track bike with a hodge-podge of stuff (this was my messenger bike)

1 DeRosa 2000 road bike with Record 10 speed

There are wheels and parts literally stashed all around my apartment. I have one room that is totally for bikes. I could not picture living without my bikes.

I know it is crazy, but it makes life a little more interesting to be able to change bikes everyday of the week. Some of these bikes I have not ridden in a while. I will pull them out when I have another bike down. Living in NYC without a car, I can rationalize this insanity. I am always looking for other bikes on Ebay.
Sheesh, where do you put 'em all?Brian C.
May 18, 2001 11:09 AM
What do you do when you're entertaining the ladies? :)
You're right about rationalizing that kind of investment and not having a car, though.
I've got fourIxnixit
May 18, 2001 11:20 AM
Sampson, Calfee, Colnago, Pinarello.

Why - four different frame materials. I like to experiment with ride quality.

Use - I ride alphabetically. two though have lower gears and I sometimes use them if I know I'll be climbing.

Also have 3 MTB - Proflex, Mountain Cycles, Psycle Werks
SampsonHoward
May 18, 2001 1:39 PM
If the Sampson bike that you own is the Kalispell, how do you like it? (I just bought a Kalispell a few months ago.)
SampsonE3
May 18, 2001 3:08 PM
So, you went with the Kalispell. Do you like it?

Weren't you the guy torn between the Kalispell and the Silverton?
SampsonHoward
May 21, 2001 10:52 AM
Sorry for the delay in responding (I take the weekend off from Internet endeavors.) I never considered the Silverton since it's geometry is not quite right for me (as determined by a Serotta size cycle fitting). The Kalispell, on the other hand, fits me much better.

I find the Kalispell's ride to be quite smooth. The saddle - Sella Bassano Vision - a matter of personal preference obviously, might soon be replaced by something more comfortable. Otherwise, a very fine bike.

As you might recall, you weighed in on my bike buying Kalispell question this past January. Thanks for your input.
SampsonIxnixit
May 18, 2001 3:46 PM
It was my first serious road bike. I love it - great ride, quick, comfortable. Glad I came back to road riding after many years of MTB with that bike. While my others may be more chic, the Kalispell is still my favorite.
SampsonHoward
May 21, 2001 10:55 AM
Quite a strong statement for the Kalispell! I'm surprised that those with Colnagos have not taken issue with you on this one.
re: Who out there has 2 or more...Ray Sachs
May 18, 2001 11:28 AM
Two high-zoot road bikes, a Rivendell and a Merckx ti. The Merckx is very light and a nice combination of stable and quick and is wonderful for fast (for me) rides of about 30-60 miles. The Riv is more stable (still adequately quick) and is geared lower, so is great for more relaxed longer rides of 50-100 miles. I also have a relatively high-zoot full suspension mtb that I don't ride much, a folder that lives in a suitcase except while I'm on the road, an old beater for commuting in crummy weather and fixed gear riding, and a Lemond cross bike that's good at EVERYTHING. Finally, a Rivendell All-Rounder that's also great for everything but I'm probably going to sell because I like the cross bike so much for the same things and I need the money. I've bought and sold several bikes in the last few years and seem to have stabilized at about 5-6 bikes, so that must be the right number. They ALL get plenty of saddle time.

I've rarely regretted having them all - there's always at least two or three in good enough repair to just grab one and go for a ride.

-Ray
re: Who out there has 2 or more...dug
May 18, 2001 11:39 AM
I own 2 road bikes, a mountain bike, a 'cross bike, and a TT bike. All roadies decked with Campy, MTB all XTR, 'cross is typ hodge-podge of parts. I have no need to justify these to anyone. I use them all regularly. I need 2 more to have 1 for each day of the week.
how abouta two wheel drive mountain/(road bike)!Breck
May 18, 2001 11:50 AM
gotta truly reach to be unique and have a ride not common to the board. this comercially made bike has a cable drives a ribbed disk front wheel hub from the rear hub. mebee if cn get the software can post a pik of it. brand is solaire GT legacy. also have some old grocery delivery bikes including one Schwinn.

looking for a good used Monster Bike, a banana seat Schwinn Sting Ray, & would like a racing tri-bike or four wheel racer. most of my bikes are standard issue frame sets ...OCLV, Klein, Specialized, Nishiki, Schwinn, Sears, etc. some built up and some off the peg. no Hi-Zoots but my pik would be a Nytro lotus.

one can never have too many bikes same as you can't never have too much fun & one MUST have more bikes than Boom Boxes, TV sets, Radios, etc., unless they are old ones of course like the 1950 round tube Zenith television i watch old Lone Ranger re-runs on:)

cheers
re: Who out there has 2 or more...zelig1
May 18, 2001 12:31 PM
One wonders where they all came from:

1975 Gios-Torino, Campy NR- Bought new and raced when I was Cat 2, has been reduced to winter bike status although I may do a restoration.

1990 Marinoni Custom TSX- Mix of DA/Ultegra & Campy (8spd). Relegated to winter bike status.

198? Davidson Challenger- DA 7 spd, couldn't pass it up on EBay. Early season and shorter rides.

199? Pinarello Gavia- Mix of DA/Ultegra & Campy (8spd). Its like the Gios, just updated and used on the weekends. Black chrome finish.

199? Merckx EX Ti, DA/Ultegra 9 spd. Great ride, again bought cheap.

1999 Vortex, DA 9spd. Current everyday ride.

All bikes have tubs except for the Davidson and Vortex for which I also have clinchers.

All but the Vortex have been in storage in the States for the last 2+ years as my flat (apartment) in London isn't big enough. I'm in Milano next week and thinking about buying another frame but its all a bit out of control as I also want to have a Chas Roberts built before I leave the UK. The next stop may be Tokyo, even less space, so its all a bit of a question mark.

They're obviously all different and to some degree reflect the era they were built. Its great to have the choices when riding but when it came time to pick one, it was down to the Merckx or the Vortex because as frames go, Ti is the most maintenance free. Lack of living space and the wet climate drove this decision. I brought the Vortex and haven't seen a Litespeed in the UK or Europe outside of one store.

Its interesting that people in the UK, France and Italy, besides the local manufacturers, love Cannondales because they're exclusive (read expensive) in the Europe while the Colnago/Pinarello/Derosa mystique continues in the States. Go figure.
One for hilly and one for Sunday flats!Live Steam
May 18, 2001 12:31 PM
I actually have three including the hardtail Specialized MTB. I started with a Giant TCR because of the value it came with when I started roadieing. I wasn't sure spending more that $1000 would be justified should I not really get into it. Well needless to say I am addicted to road riding. The Giant is a great set of wheels for hilly rides. However, last Summer I was perusing Ebay a found an unbuilt Colnago Crystal (Columbus EL) at a great price, so I couldn't resist. Besides I needed a project to keep me out of trouble - if you know what I mean. ;-) I built it out with Record components and now I use it for those beautiful sunny afternoon rides. The AL Giant sees the rain and bad weather.
CounterpointGregJ
May 18, 2001 12:39 PM
I have one nice Pinarello road bike and a Kona Nexus 7 setup for around town use and errand running. I think having a bunch of nice road bikes is crazy, they are a terrible investment and I have never believed that high end bikes are all that different from each other. Let your money work for you in a mutual fund or branch out into something else like getting a sailboat or something or travel to Italy and ride your one nice bike on some of the Giro climbs.
Thanks for the one vote for sanityseth1
May 18, 2001 1:20 PM
I was checking out Landsharkbicycles.com and he's updated his picture gallery. Oh My!!!
re: Who out there has 2 or more...LC
May 18, 2001 1:19 PM
It's easy to justify at least 3 road bikes, plus a couple more if you go off road.

1. Your high end Titanuim, Carbon Fiber, Italian Steel ect which you only ride on sunny Sundays, for when you just have to leave the competition in the dust. It's got the wheels and tires that are so light you think they may be may be made out of anti-gravity materials.

2. Your old rain bike complete with fenders for when the weather is less then ideal. Everything on the bike was "in" 4 years ago, and the tires are so heavy they actually feel better riding on broken glass or riding over hot coals. It's also a good bike for those recovery rides when it looks stupid to ride the fancy bike slowly.

3. Your touring/errand bike. It's got a rack and lower gears to handle the extra weight. It's even acceptable to have a Triple on this bike. Wheels are often laced up with 36 or more spokes and the drop to the handle bars is less for long distance comfort.

If you like to go off road then you need more bikes like at least a suspension Mt. bike and a cross bike. For myself Five bikes is just perfect and I would miss not having them all.
Boy did you pick a bad day . . .DCP
May 18, 2001 1:45 PM
to ask this question. I have but one road bike. I discovered last Sunday that one of the shifters was broken. Took it to the shop that day (its under warranty) and got a promise that it would be ready Friday. Call from bike shop said, nope it won't be ready (at least they called). So nothing to ride this weekend except my MTB.

Two bikes are better than one. I happen to be too cheap to buy a second one, but its tempting.
2 or moreDave Hickey
May 18, 2001 2:09 PM
Currently in my garage

1. 50cm All Carbon(advance composites) full Dura Ace(daily ride)
2. 50cm Look Kg243 full Dura Ace (I call it my charity ride bike)
3. 50cm Vitus 979 full 105 (rain bike)
4. 54cm Trek 1400 frame only( too big)
5. 48cm Centurion Dave Scott Ironman frame
6. 52cm Shogun touring frame
No need to listKrusty the Clown
May 18, 2001 2:12 PM
all the equipment on your bike, moreover, no need to even list your bikes! All the question asks is who has 2 or more high-zoot bikes.

Be honest, those who listed everything need to show off, and need the affirmation of acceptance by others, or they are just plain old exhibitionists.

Now go ahead and list all your great stuff so we can all think highly of you.
No need to listpmf
May 18, 2001 2:26 PM
Actually, I think that having 3 bikes that are all worth more than my car is a bit embarrassing. I didn't list mine to show off. In fact, I wasn't going to initially, but misread the post thinking he wanted to know what they were.

I don't think people answering this are showing off. And I find it interesting to see what other folks here ride.
No need to be embarrasedrm
May 22, 2001 10:03 AM
There is no reason to be embarrased that you bikes are worth more than you car. But the real question is do you ride your bikes more than you drive your car? If the answer is yes, then that is something to be proud of.
I list because:Thioderek
May 18, 2001 2:48 PM
I list because I live on my bikes, for my bikes. I used to make a living riding my bikes and the passion has continued even while I work at a desk.

Once I gave up the messenger life I could rationalize the purchase of lighter, faster more exotic steeds. I hope I always purchase a new bike every two years or so. I dont know if I will keep all of my bikes from now until I die, but I already have retired a few frames that hang on the wall in my apartment as pieces of art that only I understand.

I can look at a bike and remember the best and worst of times on each of them. That hill that I always struggled up, the ticket I got on this one for running redlights, going down in a patch of sand on a corner, a snapped crankarm with the blood still caked on it, a PI jacket shredded from the elbow down from a slip on some ice on the Brooklyn Bridge, the twisted frame from a head on with a VW bus, my first century, my first criterium, my first road race, my first triathlon too many things to list. However they all had something to do with the life I lead and the direction I am going now.

"Too much money on bikes." A ridculous statement for me. I have no kids, I have a good job which allows me a good amount of disposable income, I travel as much as I want, I am not married and I wouldnt enjoy life without my bikes.
I only have two.Ian
May 18, 2001 2:29 PM
I have two and that puts me in the minority of the rest of the posts. I have a 2001 Look KG281, Velomax wheels and full D/A. My MTB is a 2001 Specialized S-Works FSR-XC with a few upgrades from stock.

Rather than add more bikes now, I would rather sell these next year and get the latest and greatest for 2002.
re: Who out there has 2 or more...bsenez
May 18, 2001 2:41 PM
I've got a 2000 kona haole road bike with 105 and an ultegra drivetrain that weighs 20lbs $1500 invested
a 99 dbr x6 mtb built for freeride with about $3500 invested 40lbs
a '00 mrazek boh fx mtb built for xc race
and i'm getting a k2 razorback team in august
i also just sold four bikes (3mtn 1road) so i'm cutting down :)
i'm 20 years and i make about $16000 a year so you guys know where most of my money goes
re: Many more....Big Johnson
May 18, 2001 2:55 PM
No such thing as too many bikes.Have them because I can. Buy frames,build myself. Ride every day.Like variety.wife won't allow mo girlfriends.....gots to do something.Keeps me busy. I does other stuff too,but likes bikes best.Great for fitness. Gets me lotsa compliments from foxy chicks of all kinds.what more does one need? Life is good. Ride hard.
I just kept buying bikes until...JimF
May 18, 2001 4:11 PM
My one bedroom apartment was full, then I bought a Bike Friday for the closet. Now I'm in a house but my stable remains:

'94 Breezer Lightning
'94 Litespeed Ultimate
'94 Basso Loto
'93 Trek 520
'97 Ibis Easystreet tandem upgraded to XTR
'98 Green Gear Bike Friday Pocket Rocket
Cats, hats and bikestommyb
May 18, 2001 4:17 PM
If you know how many you have without stopping to count them all, you don't have enough.
'bitten by the bug'coonass
May 18, 2001 6:22 PM
I rode a (1980) Fuji 483 (felt like cast-iron) for 20 years, put a Dura-ace group on it (due to a bonus)but decided to 'just do it'. Ordered a Waterford 2200 w/Record 10....loved it so much I ordered another frame and swapped my DA group over to it (with some necessary DA changes)..love both of them and have never regretted it. I also own a Trek 8000 w/XTR group, but seldom ride it....all things considered; everything is $1000's cheaper than what I spent on Bass fishing.... :-))
btw....I've seen guys with $30,000 bass rigs that couldn't catch a fish with dynamite, so don't EVEN begin to start yelling "POSER".....
I love to ride the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD stuff!!!! Happy Trails!
re: Who out there has 2 or more...bestT
May 18, 2001 6:51 PM
Between my wife and I we have 12 bikes in the garage, I have 7, 3 road bikes, 2 track bikes, 1 track bike set up as a fixed gear road bike, and 1 mountain bike. My wife has 3 road bikes and a mountain bike, plus we have a tandem. Then my two girls have 3 bikes. I hardly ever sell anything because you really don't get anything for a used bike.
Let's see....12x23
May 18, 2001 7:47 PM
Three oclv's (2-5500, 1-5900), Litespeed Classic, Colnago Masterlight, 'ol faithful Trek 660, and a couple of framesets for sale. All are 9-speed Dura-Ace except for the 660 being 8-sp downtube shift D/A. Oh, and a Trek 8500 mtn bike. Don't even want to get into wheelsets.
Boy, I feel so inadequate with only 2 road bikesmike mcmahon
May 18, 2001 8:01 PM
1. Brand-new Strong foco, Chorus 10, Ouzo Pro, Newton stem/bar, Xaeros. The Strong is a dream to ride and is now my every day ride. I sold a Cannondale (former back-up bike) to add to the Strong fund.

2. Five year old Torelli EL-OS, Chorus 8, Reflex (clinchers) laced to Chorus hubs. The Torelli (sorry girl) will now be my back-up/rain bike. As I write this, I'm looking at it on the workstand waiting for new cables and a new stem/bar. Before next winter, I'll be looking to put a new set of wheels on it, something sturdy for the potholes and other hazards present in the rainy season.

I like steel.
Seven totaldmoore
May 18, 2001 11:50 PM
4 that I'd consider "high zoot."

1. Litespeed Ultimate, lots of trick parts - basically 2001 Record 9, with carbon cranks, Mavic brakes, WR Compositi seatpost, Velomax Orions, silk sewups. 60 cm, 17 pounds even. Mountain rides, racing. I may replace it one of these days with a new Foco or Scandium frame.

2. Richard Sachs, custom Reynolds lugged steel, full Record 10. Any long ride except mountains, club rides. My favorite bike of the bunch, I expect it to be a lifetime keeper.

3. Brian Baylis, custom lugged EL-OS steel, also full Record 10. Crit geometry, very tight and stiff rear triangle, I use it for shorter, faster training rides.

4. Bill Holland, custom lugged steel, full Record 9. Older, SL/SP construction. Stunning blue JB paint. Fitted out as my night time training bike with head and tail lights.

I continue to eye lustfully frames from Richard Moon, Columbine, Spectrum, and Mercian. I'm just a sucker for a beautiful handmade steel frame with beautiful hand carved lugs. I'm also a big fan of polished Ibis Ti stems -- all four of the above bikes have 'em.
re: Who out there has 2 or more...dustin73
May 19, 2001 9:51 AM
good lord, i can't believe some of the stuff i'm reading here. man...i hope that one day i'll be able to afford a house, vehicle, kids, wife, dog, and 5 bada** bikes. i wonder how many bikes Lance has...

'course, i'd rather have a crotch rocket (Yamaha YZF-R6...) than 5 bikes with Record 10sp. the motorcycle would probably be cheaper, too:) haha, right now i'm saving up for either a motorcycle, or a new bike with, you guessed it, Record 10sp. hmmm...i wonder which way i'll go...that's gonna be a tough decision.

the reason i got into cycling was because i couldn't afford a motorcycle, so i figured i'd get the next best thing on 2 wheels.
Alot worse buys...Mel Erickson
May 19, 2001 5:40 PM
than a new bike. It's better than drinkin' at the bar (most of the time). I've managed to have just one of each type, for the most part. Softride Solo for my main road ride, Cannondale SuperV 900 for the trails, old '85 Cannondale for the trainer, an inherited Fuji for ?, a Santana Rio tandem for me and the wife, an old Panasonic tourer which still serves well for, you guessed it, touring. An old french steel frame which I still mean to build into a fixed gear ride. Various others which aren't really mine but I get to fix and maintain, oh joy! I've just can't bear to get rid of anything when it comes to bikes. Curse or blessing?
Oh boyLazy
May 21, 2001 11:19 AM
The only thing you can do to (temporarily) satiate the hunger for a new ride is buy one. Maybe we should start a 12 step program or something.

I have only one straight road bike. An alu. Carrera w/ cheap Campy stuff on it. I think I'll up grade to Chorus 10 this year and use it for Crits and climbing.

I was struck by the good looks of the Cervelo P2K and had some tax money sitting around so I bought one. It's almost as fun to look at as it is to ride! So, now I have a TT bike too.

I have an old Klein MTB that I use mostly to keep the dust off the floor underneath it. It needs some work though.

Sometime within the next year or so, I'm going to drop for a high end carbon or TI rig for Sunday rides. No idea what brand yet though. Before long, I'm sure I'll have 6 or 7 bikes. I can't wait. :-)
12 Steps of Bike BuyingLen J
May 22, 2001 12:16 PM
1.)Admitted we were powerless over the effects of a new bike-that our current ride had become unridable
2.)Came to believe that a ride greater than our cureent ride could return us to sanity.
3.)Mad a decision to turn our money over to the LBS
4.)Made a searching & fearless inventory of the weaknesses of our current ride
5.)Convinced our wives of the exact nature of these shortcomings.
6.)Were entirely ready to have our LBS replace all these defects with new technology.
7.)Humbly asked our LBS to relace these shortcomings.
8.)Made incessant lists of all the rational reasons why this new purchase was necessary
9.)Made direct arguments to anyone who would listen as to why this purchase was necessary.
10.)Continued to research in order to convince ourselves that we made a good decision while we wait for delivery.
11.)Sought thru contact with other like minded people, to reinforce what knowledgable consumers we are.
12.)Having commited to this purchase, we try to carry this message of salvation through consumption to anyone who will listen while we continually look for the next great bike.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!Lazy
May 22, 2001 1:58 PM
God....
Grant me the serenity to ride this bike that is two years old.
The courage to ask the significant other for the money to buy a new bike.
And the wisdom to buy it on sale!
Take life one ride at a time "NM"Len J
May 22, 2001 2:05 PM
Geez, just one (and it's a beauty!)look271
May 21, 2001 7:06 PM
2000 Look kg271 CF w/ Mavic Mektronic shifters, D/A crank, Ultegra brakes and front derailer, Selle Italia Pro-link saddle, and Mavic Ksyrium wheelset. Have a mtb (raliegh m600 that I use to commute as well as mountain riding, and an old Schwinn single speed that I'm building up to occassionally commute on as well as ride with the kids. I feel soooooooooo inadequate!Guess I'll have to hit-up wifey for permission to get at least 2 more....(not likely to happen!) Really, though, the Look is good at just about everything so I really don't need anything else right now (except maybe a cheap road bike for the trainer.)
I have 4 bikes and can't ride any of 'em. Sigh...Slash5Dan
May 22, 2001 4:36 PM
4 bikes - A 1976 Centurion Pro that I converted to fixed gear, an '83 Pro Miyata with 8 speed Ultegra upgrade, a Cannondale M400 that rarely gets ridden, and a new Merlin Extralight with Dura-Ace. And I have to just look at them while I try to get rid of a stress condition in my femur. Aaargh! Hopefully I'll be out there again later this summer.