|Why not just buy a Litespeed and remove the decals?||Remo|
May 15, 2001 10:12 AM
|Why not? and after I remove the decals put on some fake "SEVEN" decals?|
|more to the point...||Jack S|
May 15, 2001 10:16 AM
May 15, 2001 10:38 AM
|Like people wouldn't be able to tell.....|
|Posser: grz mnky||l|
May 15, 2001 10:52 AM
|This would make you very angry, no? I think you are posser yourself.|
May 15, 2001 11:10 AM
|I just got to experience a seven up close. The welds were impressive and the steering seems quicker than a litespeed. They use parallel 73.5 degree angles and long stems with wound-up forks. You can tell the difference by looking or riding. Within a short time on the bike I found myself thinking out loud that this is the way a bike should be. Then the salesman told me how much and for an all ti bike Icould buy two custom foco bikes with dura-ace. Ouch.|
|Heh, Heh, Heh....||grz mnky|
May 15, 2001 12:03 PM
|Make me angry? No - I'd laugh at the foolishness of such an act. Moi a posser? Actually I spelled it wrong. |
Poser - One who poses. Also, A baffling question or problem.
Pose - to represent oneself in a given character or as other than what one is.
Poseur - a person who affects a particular attitude, character, or manner to impress others.
So back to the original idea of slapping Seven stickers on a Litespeed, the only possible motive would be to impress others. Unless of course one was niave enough to impress oneself without any concern for what others thought, in which case one would no longer be a poseur. I guess it could happen. And monkeys could fly out of my butt. Is that possible given that I'm already a monkey? I mean wouldn't I need to be female and wouldn't they have to come from somewhere else?
Ya know, I actually might really be a poseur if I'm not actually a "grz mnky", can't ride, don't own any bikes and don't know how to work on them. The real pisser is that you may never know - unless you come to Santa Cruz or you run across me at some riding event. Next "for sure" event: Klimb to Kaiser. Takers?
|C to K 2001||Spokeman|
May 15, 2001 12:29 PM
|I'm there again this year bro. I did it with 5 of my teammate last year, (MVV/Surf Monkey). What a great ride. We are all shooting for sub 9 hours this year.
When the date gets closer let me know what your schedule is so maybe could at least say hello.
|C to K 2001||grz mnky|
May 15, 2001 12:46 PM
Good deal - I dunno what to expect timewise since I haven't done it and the heat is a major factor. The wife wants to do it also so wew may go at her pace: diesel locomotive (not super fast, but absolutely no let up). I think that the heat is going to be the whole crux of the ride.
Got a buddy who has done it and given me the low down. Says it's not quite as "fun" as the Terrible Two, but it still makes the Death Ride look like a tea party. Probably should get our registration in early so we don't get locked out.
Will drop a line when we get closer - hope I don't crash between now and then - I'll avoid wearing any new jerseys - they're crash magnets for me.
|C to K 2001||Spokeman|
May 15, 2001 1:08 PM
|You will find that the heat is only a factor in the last 30 miles when you are coming down from the foothills. When you are up at altitude the weather is quite nice. The thing starts at 5:30 sharp with a mass start so you do get quite a bit of time to get out of the heat before it really starts to cook. But, there is no escaping that valley heat on the way back. It can suck. I grew up near there so I know what to expect. We stopped at a farm house last year and got sprayed down with a hose to stay alive last year.
The hardest part of that ride is Bear creek. Think wall for 5-6 miles. It's unreal how steep and long that part is. All the other stuff is steep, but not gut-wrenching steep like BC.
You'll love doing it and IMHO it's the hardest of the popular rides in CA. I have teammates that have done them all and consider C to K the most challenging. You can't beat the support either.
You'll see us there, our team is pretty hard to miss, red white and blue with MVV plastered all over.
I promise to give you lots of room on the downhills if you have on a new jersey.
|Heh, Heh, Heh....||blb|
May 15, 2001 1:10 PM
|Just as L said: It makes you very angry, no?|
May 15, 2001 3:56 PM
|One More Thought.....||grz mnky|
May 15, 2001 4:04 PM
|If you understood me or what I was saying you'd also understand why I'll *never* wear a pro team jersey unless I actually were to belong to said team. Ordinary guys wearing Postal jersey's riding Postal painted bikes (or any other team for that matter) look assinine. Who are they fooling?|
|My thoughts exactly.||Largo|
May 15, 2001 9:36 PM
|Had some guy come up to me at the last race and wanted to know where he could get a cool jersey and vest like mine.
Try to get on our team was my reply.
If you don't ride for them, or own that brand of bike, don't wear the togs.
But thats just me being me.
|if you have to ask, you just don't know.||Largo|
May 15, 2001 11:54 AM
|while there is nothing wrong with a Litespeed, you really can't compare the two.
Would you/could you put a Mercedes label on a Chevy?
Chevy makes fine vehicles, but.......
I ride a Seven mtb, and i have no regrets about dropping the coin for it.
I tested Merlins, Litespeed, and others, and Seven was the clear winner.
Putting fake decals on a bike is like getting calf or pec inplants, who are you trying to impress?
|if you have to ask, you just don't know.||michael|
May 15, 2001 12:35 PM
|Hmm, well, I ride a Litespeed Mtn Bike as well, and ya know I tested Merlins, Ibis, Mongooses, Moots, and an Airborne (Sorry, couldn't find a seven, dont know if they made them then) and found the litespeed to be far and away the best -
Also, at a certain point, I don't think price matters anymore. The Litespeed was more expensive than all the others I rode (Merlin did have one or two frame which cost more, I didn't try them, but Litespeed also had a better frame that I didn't feel rode any better for me) but if I could have found a bike that was more expensive and I liked more, I would have gotten it. I can understand price shoppingon a $1000 bike, but once you hit the $3-4 or 4-5 range, there is not much difference and any shop worth shopping at ought to be able to play with the numbers some.
Just my $.02
|if you have to ask, you just don't know.||Larry Meade|
May 15, 2001 4:37 PM
|Please remind me, how many road world championships or Tour stages have been ridden on Sevens?|
|Absolutely none, zero, nada, zip.||Largo|
May 15, 2001 9:30 PM
|But thats cool. Seven is not a massed produced bike. Its a different kind of company.
Don't get me wrong, I think Litespeeds, Merlins, etc... are GREAT bikes.
I wanted an Owl Hollow, and i would love an Ultimate, but i need a custom, and Seven rules for custom Ti.
No one doubts that Serrota is a fine ride, but no TDF's or Worlds for them either.
|Absolutely none, zero, nada, zip.||Larry Meade|
May 16, 2001 4:15 AM
|Actually, Serotta has been in the TDF. They were under the 7-11 guys when they first went to Europe. They were rebadged as Murrays. My best friend just changed from a Serotta CSI to a Palmares. He absolutely loves the Palmares compred to te Serotta. Litespeed will do a custom frame but it is an additional cost thing. So there I will agree that Seven may have an advantage in that area. You must be one of the unlucky 5% in the world who has to have a custom frame. Most companies can fit 95% of the general population with off the shelf sizes. With their wide range of models, Litespeed does a very good job of this. I think that a more appropriate car comparison would be Mercedes(Seven) and Porsche(Litespeed). Seven as the high zoot/snoot factor and seems to have a lot of snob appeal. Litespeed a is more performance/get the job done type of frame. Less worried about cosmetics and more concerned about pushing the edge on what can be done with ti.|
May 16, 2001 6:19 AM
|Oh, that hurts.
I agree, though. I have never met another person with a Seven who wasn't a wealthy profesional with a vey nice car.
My bike is worth more than my truck.
While i love the Seven MTB, i don't think i would get a Seven road bike.
I'm a sprinter/masher type, and i like the large ovalived down tube of the Palmares or Ultimate. Really stiffens up the bb. I have found that standard round DTs on a Ti road bike aren't stiff enough.
As far as welds go, Seven welds are gorgeous, but as an old welder friend once told me "even an ugly weld is f@#$ing strong"
Thanks for the heads up on Serrota, i did not know that. Ill have to go back and watch an old TDF and see what Steve Bauer was riding.
May 16, 2001 7:46 AM
|Serotta has also won at least one world championship. Do your homework before spouting off, otherwise you look foolish. No, I don't ride a Serotta.|
|Snob appeal? Weld Appeal?||michael|
May 16, 2001 10:08 AM
|ACtually, I am pretty impressed with the welding on my Litespeed. I took the tour at Litespeed about a year ago (highly recommened) and was fascinated by the process and the attention to detail they showec every bike. The welds on my litespeed are flawless.|
|Snob appeal? Weld Appeal?||grr|
May 16, 2001 10:31 AM
|yeah, them robots out thar in ten'see are ggrrreat!|
|Snob appeal? Weld Appeal?||Larry Meade|
May 16, 2001 11:52 AM
|I love my Litespeeds too and don't have a problem with their welds. Some people think that because Merlin/Seven use a two pass system, their welds are superior. They aren't they're just smoother. Litespeed has never done this and some people think the second pass may actually weaken the weld. The jury is still out on that and as I'm no expert metalurgist, I won't even attempt this argument. My main point is super smooth welds don't necessarily indicate a superior weld.|
|Been There, Done That||Lance_Armstrong|
May 15, 2001 3:38 PM
|In the 1999 Tour, I just couldn't deal with my TT rig saying "Litespeed" on the side, so I took the decals off, and made it say "Trek". It made me feel like so much more of a man because I was riding a Trek instead of one of those crappy Litespeeds. I mean, have you seen the welds on those Litespeeds? Garbage. I wouldn't be caught dead riding one...|
|It's Common||grz mnky|
May 15, 2001 4:01 PM
|In a lot of the elite circles like windsurfing, skiing, etc. the pro is under contract to only ride "factory" colors. So they get their special custom whatever and get it painted to look exactly like the stuff that is sold to the unsuspecting public. Every one is happy. Sponsor is happy cause it's their image that gets plastered all over the place. The pro rider is happy 'cause s/he is riding their special custom rig. the unsuspecting public is happy 'cause they think they have a direct link to the same gear that the pro is using - - WITHOUT having to pay the real price for the custom rig and then realize that it's all used up after a short time.|
May 15, 2001 4:23 PM
|My man Remo is just trying to keep his sponsors over at Seven happy. That's awesome, it's all about keeping the sponsors happy. Next year though, he ought to demand that Seven build him a bike worthy of his ability; but be careful. It can take a while to get a custom bike- it took Trek forever to make me that OCLV TT bike. At least it said Trek all over it right out of the box.|
|re: Why not just buy a Litespeed and remove the decals?||capnjim01|
May 15, 2001 5:24 PM
|I was thinking of buying a Litespeed and having it custom painted to look like my 24 pound 6 year old Specialized. Want my buds be fooled.|
|re: Why not just buy a Litespeed and remove the decals?||LC|
May 15, 2001 11:55 PM
|I have some Huffy stickers that might make that Litespeed look a lot better. That way you could leave it all day in front of the crack house and no one would touch it.|| |