|recovery... does our body get more efficient at this as we..||smithers|
May 7, 2001 2:29 PM
|get fitter? Or, is this recovery ability fixed with our God-given genes?|
May 7, 2001 3:48 PM
|While genes may affect where you start and where you top out, there is a huge range in the middle that is determined by training smartly. I can personally attest to being able to do things now that even 4 years ago I would have thought unimaginable. Read everything you can. learn from it, and ride lots. You'll be amazed.
May 7, 2001 4:00 PM
|if I averaged 2.5 rides a week for 4 months and then did a one hour effort at 185 HBPM and then the next year I averaged 6 rides a week for 4 months and then did the same 185 HBPM effort for one hour would I recover faster the second time I did this? If yes, what changed? Theoretically, this should be about the same effort even though the rider would be putting out more power per beat the second year because he is fitter. Is this right?|
May 7, 2001 7:39 PM
|You likely would put out more power at the same heart rate AND recover faster after a year of good training. It's possible that you could be at a plateau (like me?) where your performance doesn't really change from year to year, but I doubt that would come from riding every third day, unless they were really high quality distance rides or you were doing some other training. Like Doug said, your genes determine where you will plateau and where you will start (from a zero training base) but how you train will tremendously impact your power output, your endurance, and your recovery. Otherwise, there would be no point in training/training would do no good.|
May 7, 2001 4:02 PM
|i just did a killer 100k this Sunday and it kicked my butt. Thought I wasn't going to make it about 1/3 of the way through. I've only felt this bad on a bikeone time before, and that time, it was the end of me. I managed to ride through it and actually recovered a bit on the bike (which I could not have done several years ago), and finish OK. Today I feel great. I Could go out and do another 62mi today.|
|re: recovery... does our body get more efficient at this as we..||LLSmith|
May 7, 2001 4:43 PM
|I would think the average person would become much more efficient the more he or she rides. I have been riding a minimum of 2 times (usually 3-4)a week. I started at 5-10 miles and now do 25-35 per ride. I'm not alot faster, but I take the same hills 2-3 cogs higher now. Although climbing is not easy, as soon as I reach the top i'm ready to go. When I started the recovery from each hill was a killer. No telling how long I could go if my butt didn't hurt so bad.
|re: recovery... does our body get more efficient at this as we..||grz mnky|
May 7, 2001 6:06 PM
|It depends upon how deep a hole you dig, but it definetely gets easier to bounce back as you get fitter and train smarter. You also get a better appreciation for where your elusive limit is and how close you can play at it. A lot of work is being done on the whole recovery phase and how you handle it - that's the whole theory behind Endurox and it's a hot topic. Check out the recent issue of Outside mag, not that it's the final word (or even close) but it does give a good over view in layman's terms. Genes have a lot to do with it, especially at the elite levels, but most of us mortals can improve significantly by taking advantage of the current research that is being done. I've seen guys go from being dog-slow to fairly studly with solid (but not extreme) effort over time. I do things now in my late 30's that I couldn't even imagine in my 20's.|
|this is the answer I got from CTS...||smithers|
May 8, 2001 9:52 AM
|"Some parts of the rate of recovery are bound by genetics, but many people
find that as they become more fit, the amount of time it takes their heart
rate to fall back to normal (following intervals, for instance) decreases.
As your fitness increases, your body's efficiency increases, which allows
you to recovery from hard efforts more quickly. Keep in mind, I am talking
about recovery between efforts or immediately following a workout, not the
recovery that takes 24-48 hours to complete. The rate of recovery from a
hard race or training session does increase (your recovery more quickly)
when you are more fit, but we have generally found this overall recovery
rate to correlate less with fitness."
I know between intervals we can bounce back quicker... but the full recovery after a hard effort like one hour at 185 hbpm, for me, doesnt seem to change with my fitness. It still takes me 2-3 days. Same as always.
|compare apples and apples||Dog|
May 8, 2001 1:53 PM
|"...but the full recovery after a hard effort like one hour at 185 hbpm, for me, doesnt seem to change with my fitness. It still takes me 2-3 days. Same as always."
That may be true, but I'd bet that for that one hour at the same heartrate, you are going faster and doing more work. The heartrate may always stay constant, but you are going faster at that rate.
That's like saying that it still takes me 2 days to recover from a century, even though I'm doing it in 5 hours, when it used to take me 8 hours. Heck, it may very well take me LONGER to recover, as I have the ability to push myself much harder and faster than before.
If you compare apples and apples, that is, say, one hour at 15 mph, I'd bet you are recovering much faster as you train more.