RoadBikeReview.com's Forum Archives - General


Archive Home >> General(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 )


Pantani & the Tour(17 posts)

Pantani & the TourJBergland
May 4, 2001 10:36 AM
From www.cyclingnews.com
"Meanwhile, Marco Pantani has called on fellow riders to boycott the Tour this year because his team, Mercatone Uno, was left out of the Tour. Apparently, the Pirate plans to call up both Lance Armstrong and Hein Verbruggen, president of the UCI, to support his protest.

In an interview published this morning in the French sporting daily L'Equipe, Pantani said ``Some of the champions could very well demand that I, and others with me, be at the start of the Tour, otherwise they won't ride. The Tour could find itself with just five or six French teams, maybe with no foreign riders.''

I have heard that Pantani is rumored to be well liked by many pros, but does he think he will get this type of support??

What do you think??
i hope soishmael
May 4, 2001 10:52 AM
it would be nice to see that the teams really want a good race and also are the ones in control of things...although they did the protest thing years ago i dont think people sympothized with their issue that much but i think this one would get a great response..i want pantani in it...he is one of the main characters in pro racing that people recognize....lance is a puss and a poor sport if he doesnt respond atleast...he, being the winner, has a resposibility in my mind to confront the organizers...if pantani doesnt get in it wont be a legit race in my mind or lots of fans minds...capoli isnt a contender but pantani i deffinatly think is...he may have had a poor proformance till now this year but it seems lance also isnt doing much so anything could happend and he has a chance
Lance not doing much???vram
May 4, 2001 11:09 AM
This guy came close to winning the just concluded Amstel and missed by a whisker (Lance should have attacked just when Erik caught them). In other races he has a top 10 finish and has often ridden in the front and has mostly finished with the pack. Among the Tour contenders I don't se anyone who has shown a flash of Lance's form during Spring.

Regarding Lance supporting Pantani's cause by confronting the Tour organizers--that isn't going to happen. Yesterday Lance made a statement to the effect that although it is sad that Pantani wouldn't be able to ride the Tour, Leblanc and the organizers are well within their rights in selecting the teams, since it is their Tour.

Leblanc has slammed the door pretty hard on Pantani. Yesterday he said that there was no possibility of allowing Mercatone Uno to ride even if they show great form in the Giro. He said that to allow Pantani would be to admit that the Tour organizers had made a mistake in their selection. Can the French ever admit they are wrong?? No way :)
The contenders will all be there.Largo
May 4, 2001 7:18 PM
Pantani, imo, is not a podium contender this year.
He might be good for a mountain stage or two, but thats it.
While i will miss his and Cippo's colour in the tour, there will be plenty of fun and games to keep us mortals entertained.
i dont really know what im talking aboutishmael
May 4, 2001 8:37 PM
for some reason i thought lance wasnt doing that great..i think he did badly in some race i heard of recently...i dont know any of the politics of why pantani isnt going to be there i just know i want him
re: Pantani & the TourNEIL
May 4, 2001 11:18 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Marco will be moving to another team selected for the Tour, which is the rumor that Super Mario moved to CSC-Online...I don't think these guy's allegence to a particular team is stronger than their own desire to win a major race. Pantani's foggy hope of the other riders making a protest just for him is a dream also. They may follow Lance and say it's unfortunate and too bad, but I just don't see Lance making a big stink about something that is not in his best interest. Lance and Marco aren't the best of pals you know...

NEIL
not happeningmmaggi
May 2, 2001 2:27 PM
J,

The problem is that most of the riders who are on teams that will participate in the TdF have to participate because of contractual obligations.

Lance can't just tell USPS, "Sorry, my pal Marco isn't invited, therefore I'm not going". Lance's only real race of the season is the TdF, therefore he must show up. I'm sure it's probably the contractual obligation he has, otherwise he could forfeit his $2 million salary. Same could be said of other riders.

The bottom line is that the TdF is bigger than Marco Pantani, MArio Cipollini and Team Mercury whether we like it or not.

I'm pissed to say the least. I truly believe that Pantani was going to be in better shape this season for the TdF than last season. I'm not saying he was going to beat LA or JU, but he would've made the mountain stages very exciting as he did last year.

In the end, it was Leblanc's call. It's his party and he has the right to invite who he wants. Mercatone Uno should've realized this early on and made sure that they had a good spring season. They didn't. They screwed up big time and unless they get the podium at the Giro (and maybe the Vuelta) this could be the end of this team.
AMEN!JamesT.Kirk
May 4, 2001 11:50 AM
And I'll add to that:

Not only should Mercatone Uno have made a better showing this spring, they should have made a better showing (Pantani in particular, who else?) last season as well. I think where they really dropped the ball was in letting Garzelli get away. I don't know if he can win another grand tour, but losing him cost them points and the prestige of a TWO Giro winners (and a Tour de France winner in Pantani) on the same team.
Pantani has ridden poorly all season, and I don't blame Leblanc for being skeptical of his Tour form.

It's a pretty simple formula really, win the races and you go to the Tour. If you can't win, at least have some spirit and mix it up the rest of the time......
It's probably just me, but...E3
May 4, 2001 11:50 AM
... the general impression I get of Pantani is that he is irresponsible and whines. After his behavior in the two previous tours, several wrecked vehicles, EPO suspicions,.... well, I just don't get a good impression of the guy, but I only see what's in the media.

He may actually be a decent person.
Pantani no good without EPO?steveuk
May 4, 2001 12:25 PM
maybe that's the fact of the matter and explains all that's happened to the guy over the past 2 years. There is no room for anyone in any sport who can only get results by damaging their body and their sport with performance drugs. I think it's obvious Pantani doesn't have the natural ability to win a major Tour clean. Most of us haven't so we should accept this totally - and so should he. When he was winning I very much looked up to the guy - he was dignified. The cheating changed all that, he lost his dignity and his style. Let that be a warining to any drug cheats reading this. Life is about respect for others and yourself. Cheating in anything is for those who have no self respect and are deeply selfish.

A clean Pantani (and I pray he is and will always be) is more than capable of taking one or two spectacular Tour mountain stages and for this reason it's a shame he hasn't sorted out his position to be assured a place in a team picked for the race. Maybe if he does the Vuelta, Lance will give it a go this year too as well as Ulrich now that would be nice to see. Yes Le Tour is bigger than Marco but cycling should be bigger than the Tour.
NahhhhhhhhJamesT.Kirk
May 4, 2001 1:16 PM
I'm not a big Pantani fan, but I think he COULD win the Vuelta or Giro if he was more focused. As for the TDF, two things stand in his way, clean or doped, Lance Armstrong and Jan Ulrich. Without them, Pantani would be the top contender I think, but with them in the race he's just not gonna win it again. Then again, maybe he could if he trained as hard as Lance.
re: Pantani & the TourNEIL
May 4, 2001 12:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Marco will be moving to another team selected for the Tour, which is the rumor that Super Mario moved to CSC-Online...I don't think these guy's allegence to a particular team is stronger than their own desire to win a major race. Pantani's foggy hope of the other riders making a protest just for him is a dream also. They may follow Lance and say it's unfortunate and too bad, but I just don't see Lance making a big stink about something that is not in his best interest. Lance and Marco aren't the best of pals you know...

NEIL
American Styleconfusion
May 4, 2001 2:18 PM
I agree with a boycott but not for the fact the only Pantani was excluded.

The non-French Div I teams should all threaten a boycott. The TdF needs to change. Cycling needs to change and be more regulated by the UCI. You cannot leave out top Div I teams and be allowed to fill spots with sub par Div II teams just because they are from the host country.

It is a bunch of bs that the fans wont watch and support the sport if they don't have a home team guy to cheer for...so, Im from colorado but would much rather go see a Jordan Bulls vs Ewing Nicks game any day over some local high school matchup. People want SUPERSTARS competing against each other, that is what makes interesting races, not one superstar beating up a bunch of underachieving French slobs.

There should be no selection process for the TdF. It should not be left up to the decision of a handfull of egotistic French ballywhose.

Take the 22 Div I teams. Then if you want to include Div II, reserve 2 more spots and take the top two Div II teams. All based on points...not some old grudge against an x-TdF winner who possibly tainted the events history by being found out for doping. Let the UCI decipline these people - not the TdF.

This points based selection system gives everyone a cut and dry understanding of who is going and what it takes to get there...then nobody is hurt and nobody can beg to get in just because the team has fallen on hard times (please mr comishiner, I know the Browns have sucked for a long time but if you don't let us into the playoff then Art is going to move our team).

This will give teams and riders a clear goal to work towards and if they fail then they have nobody to blame but themselves. All the major Div I races should be run this way. 22 Div I teams based on 22 best overall team points. If your Div II and want to get to the top then you better be ready to ride your butt off and prove it or shell out the cash to make yourself a Div I team.

If we want this sport to be popular and grow even bigger internationally (ie. America) then it has to have better rules and regulations.

And how about this for dreaming - I say put the pinch on the TdF and schedule the new Tour of America at the same time next year. Get some big big cash prizes (surley us Americans can put up more then $350,000 for the winner...we give that to our worst baseball players). Invite all the Div I teams and put on a real race and show them how it is done - AMERICAN STYLE.

Viva La TourDuPont 2002
You're dreaming if you think North Am. can put on a TDF rival!Largo
May 4, 2001 7:27 PM
It would last 1 season, then die due to lack of interest.
North Americans are fat, lazy slobs who would rather sit in a stadium and watch a football game, than go to watch a sport that most of them don't comprehend at all. Why ride a bike when you can drive?
Sorry, but thats just the way it is.
I wish i was wrong.
You have to admit...cycling isn't a great spectator sport....WCC
May 4, 2001 11:39 PM
...and there are plenty of Euros who like to sit and watch "football". Youre right tho, most arent fat. I also agree that it would be a flop.
You're dreaming if you think North Am. can put on a TDF rival!Steve S
May 7, 2001 3:40 PM
I couldn't disagree with you more
"HEY BEERMAN!!, right here, and 3 for my buddies"
Amen! (nm)look271
May 7, 2001 7:26 PM