|Pantani & Cipo respond||mmaggi|
May 2, 2001 12:35 PM
|Cipo: I given much to the TdF and I don't deserve this treatment. LeBlanc has given a big slap in the face to Italian cycling. I didn't expect this repsonse. For now, I'm looking ahead to the Giro and will give my best possible effort to prove the TdF wrong.
Pantani: Without me, the TdF is dead. They've (the Tour organizers) already designated the classification. Leblanc is mixing politics with sport. They're killing the sport. Mr. Leblanc forgot when in 1998 he asked me to take the Tour ahead and save it from the doping scandal it had suffered. I don't know what kind of a Tour it will be without the possibility of Pantani winning it. Cipollini and I have given so much to the TdF, and the Tdf has given us alot too. But they have thrown out 2 of the worlds biggest racers for the sake of popularity and results. Along with the Giro d'Italia, the TdF was a big objective of my season. The course was in my favor and I was preparing for it like always. I never approached the TdF as a training race and that's why this hurts not just for me but for all my colleagues and all of cycling.
|so are they out of the tour this year||ishmael|
May 2, 2001 2:10 PM
|is that what they are saying..why..what did they do..let me guess, drugs?|
|so are they out of the tour this year||vram|
May 2, 2001 2:42 PM
|As far as I know, Cippolini hasn't done drugs or been caught using drugs (i.e., just like most other cyclists who will be participating in the Tour).
More than Saeco and Mercatone not making the final cut, I am pissed that Mercury-Viatel didn't make it. They have been always known for their agressive riding and have more UCI points than some of the French teams combined. The French can be very provincial and this is a good example.
Leblanc made some snide remarks about Pantani, which was totally uncalled for considering that this guy is a former Tour winner. He commented about Pantani lack of results and not completing races in the last 8 months. On the other hand, Jaja has been atrophying in his hospital bed for the whole of Spring and has not participated in any races yet. Nobody knows what his form will be like. How can they place their bet on one rider who hasn't shown any race form yet? Leblanc and his french cohorts are in for some embarassments when 1) the french teams get their butts whipped and end up at the bottom of the table; 2) French teams that have one or two riders finishing cause most got eliminated because they failed to make the time cuts.
|what time cuts||fuzzybunnies|
May 2, 2001 6:53 PM
|the tour officials strike me as whiney enough to elimenate that little nuisance rule when enough french riders start dropping off the back. TTFN|
|not French nm||Mr. Bunter|
May 2, 2001 3:25 PM
|Thank you for my 5th Green Jersey!! (nm)||Erik Zabel|
May 2, 2001 2:30 PM
|Pantani in pink||tommyb|
May 2, 2001 11:36 PM
|My original prediction for the Giro was Raimondas Rumsas, but now I'm guessing Pantani's going to win by a big margin. He has the ability to rise to the occasion (sometimes a friendly doctor can help), and with this type of motivation, I pity the rest of the climbers in the Giro. Love him or hate him, he's going to make seeking revenge exciting.|
|Pantani in pink||davidl|
May 3, 2001 6:08 AM
|Anybody know whether or not OLN is going to cover the Giro? I'd like to see if Pantani finishes.|
|Pantani in pink||Wayne S.|
May 3, 2001 6:48 AM
|Your forgetting Casagrande, he is Fassa Bortola's leader for the Giro not Rumsas. He is their man for the Tour, they also have Frigo and Basso, not sure what races they are focusing on. If it wasn't for Casagrande's sciatica (poorly placed injection ?) in the final TT last year he would have won the Giro. But I agree with your assessment of Rumsas for a GT, maybe he'll emerge as a threat to Ullrich and Armstrong. Or perhaps Frigo, they finished one-two at he Paris-Nice mtn TT, I think. Camenzind might be a threat as well, if he is focusing on the tour.|
|Not so fast...||mmaggi|
May 3, 2001 7:08 AM
I don't think Pantani will be ready for the Giro. He'll do well in the climbs but not well enough. He's having a bad spring and he isn't showing any signs of being in Giro shape just yet. The Giro begins Saturday, May 19.
This year's Giro will be between defending champ Stefano Garzelli (Mapei), Francesco Casagrande (Fassa Bortolo) and Gilberto Simoni (Lampre-Daikin). I really think Casagrande will win it simply because he was Italy's best cyclist last season and he's having an excellent spring so far. Plus, he's motivated by revenge from last year's heart breaking TT he lost to Sestriere on the 2nd to last day.
Dario Frigo and Ivan Basso don't have what it takes to win a stage race.
You heard it here first.
|Not so fast...||Wayne|
May 3, 2001 8:28 AM
|I think you replied to the wrong person. I don't think Pantani will do much at the Giro, either. My pick is Casagrande as well, with the other contenders being Garzelli, Simoni, and Di Luca. Maybe, Rebellin but they always tout him as one of the clean ones, and well, his performance in GT's never lives up to his performance in shorter stage races and hilly one-days. Read into that what you will. Isn't Ferretti's (sp ?) talent taken guys like Frigo and turning them into winners. Is my memory wrong, didn't he win Paris-Nice? Basso would be a revelation but they have to come from somewhere, maybe it's a year or two too early for him. Not sure which races these other guys are riding but I think Fasso Bortolo is 100% for Casagrande in the Giro, and then Frigo and/or Rumsas at the Tour. The surprise could be Di Luca, he's wasted himself in past years going for stage wins. If he rides conservatively and saves himself for the important days that will determine the GC then he might have a chance.|
|Not so fast...||mmaggi|
May 3, 2001 11:57 AM
Sorry bout that.
Frigo's a good racer but winning Paris-Nice doesn't necessarily mean he'll do well in the Giro. As you stated, Fassa Bortolo will push for Casagrande to win. Frigo could be a force for the TdF, but he won't match up well against Armstrong or Ullrich. They'll eat him alive.
DiLuca needed to improve his climbing. He trained at 10,000 feet for a month this past January in Mexico. Let's see where that gets him. I still think he's a year or two away before becoming a serious threat for the Giro. Last season, he wasn't a serious climber. That will hurt him if he hasn't improved.
|Not so fast...||Wayne Scott|
May 4, 2001 6:46 AM
|Di Luca always looks like he climbs better than his build would suggest he could (but so does Armstrong to a lesser degree). If he got super lean like Casagrande/Armstrong, etc. do he might be right at the front with the big boys.|| |