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First "real" pedals - Speedplay X2 or Frogs?(7 posts)

First "real" pedals - Speedplay X2 or Frogs?OstiMu
Apr 30, 2001 9:55 AM
I've been riding a Trek hybrid for about 3 years, and I'm going to buy my first road bike in a few weeks (going to get the Trek 2300). I've never used clipless pedals, and I wanted to buy them now so I can get used to them on my old bike and then move them over to the road bike when I buy it. (The 2300 doesn't come with pedals anyway.)
I've read a lot about the Speedplay pedals, and I'm trying to decide between the X2 and the Frog. (I like the idea of free-float, and since I haven't already gotten used to non-free-floating pedals, I don't expect much problem. I AM concerned about getting in and out of the pedals easily, and the Speedplays sound good for that.)
Any preference between the X2 and Frog? The Frog uses recessed cleats (I don't think the X2 does), which sounds good for when I get off the bike. They're also about $40 less than the X2.
Will the Speedplay pedals limit my shoe options? And when I buy pedals, do they come with the cleats, I assume? (I'm a real newbie; you'll have to excuse me.)
Also, interesting side note -- my LBS (on the Upper West Side of Manhattan) is selling the Frogs for $159 -- $30 OVER retail! Is that even allowed? It makes me a little hesitant about them...
Frog ExperienceMeDotOrg
Apr 30, 2001 4:14 PM
I've been using Frogs for about 6 months (on a road bike) and I love 'em. I have a rebuilt knee without a lot of lateral strength, and frogs are the easily the easiest pedals to clip and unclip. They are also recessed (not totally) and are very easy to walk on. Check the speedplay website for shoe compatablility.

Cons? The surface area isn't as large as X-2s. If your feet have a tendency to hot spot I would think it would be more likely with Frogs than X-2s. If you are a super pedal masher you might have more efficient energy transfer with X-2s.

But the nicest thing I can say about my frogs is I don't think about them when I'm riding. I did a Century this weekend and didn't think about my knees or my cleats once.

I'm not sure what the deal with the $$$ your LBS is charging, but be aware that there are steel and titanium frogs. Steel generally goes for around $130 and the Ti for around $180. There are a lot of places to buy on line....
I use X/2s with great success.boy nigel
Apr 30, 2001 4:31 PM
I also live in NYC. Which shop is it? I'm interested. I'd guess that it's either Toga or Bike Renaissance. I've gotten better service from Toga when buying/trying on things; Renaissance always seems so busy (on weekends, anyway), because of their location. The guys behind the counter have been quick and mildly rude with me (and I'm nice to them have a nice racing bike--I say this ONLY since LBS guys often assume more knowledge with someone on a pricier bike and often treat you better). Not trying to be snobby with that last bit; please don't take it the wrong way.

Speedplays have charts in the box as to which shoes fit and which (almost always slightly older/out-of-date models) won't. MOST shoes fit them, and there are specific shims available for tough-to-fit shoes. I'd certainly bring your shoes into the store BEFORE buying the peds, just to be sure. Ask to see the compatibility charts in the box. And yes, the pedals come with cleats and any mounting hardware. Hooking up the cleats, by the way, is a breeze.

Is the "retail" price you speak of a mail-order/online price? If so, then sure, a bike shop may charge more in order to make a profit. Sid's Bikes on 34th near Second Avenue charges exactly what the catalogs/Web sites charge--to the penny. Nice people, too. Alternately, the folks at Gotham Bikes downtown (a tie-in with Toga) are pretty cool, and they're out-of-the-way enough to give you really good service.

Good luck, and happy riding.
Nigel
A side note....Lazy
Apr 30, 2001 4:37 PM
If you go with the X/2's spend the extra few bucks to get the cleat covers. The Speedplay cleats are metal on the bottom so they're pretty slippery. Also, the mechanism is in the cleat rather than in the pedal so the cleats cost quite a bit to replace (around $35). The covers make them quite nice for walking too.

X/2's are a good choice though IMHO.
Bought the X2OstiMu
Apr 30, 2001 5:32 PM
Hey, everybody - thanks for the advice. I went back to the shop (yes, it was Bicycle Renaissance) this afternoon when they weren't as busy as they were on Saturday afternoon (duh), and they were really helpful. It may have helped that I said "I'm going to come back in 2 weeks and spend $1900 on a road bike."
The price they quoted the other day for the Frogs was incorrect - the $159 price was actually for the X2.
I only used the pedals for about 10 minutes in the store, and then rode the 12 blocks home and already managed to fall on my butt once. Thank god for padded shorts. The X2 seems pretty easy to clip in to (well, maybe it'll be easy after another day), but I'm not used to getting out yet. I think I'm trying too hard, and it seems like I'm going to screw up my ankle. I think I'll need a good long ride with lots of traffic-free stops to get a little more comfortable.
I will have to get cleat covers for these things, because it's nearly impossible to walk at all with them - and I have to carry my bike up 4 flights of stairs when I get home.
Thanks for the bike shop advice, Nigel. I've always dealt with Renaissance because they're so close to me, and sometimes their service has been sort of weak, but they were great today. I was given a lot of attention and advice on both pedals and shoes, and they put the cleats on the shoes and put on the pedals for free. I hope they're that good when I go back to buy the bike...
Bought the X2Ostimu
Apr 30, 2001 5:49 PM
Hey, everybody - thanks for the advice. I went back to the shop (yes, it was Bicycle Renaissance) this afternoon when they weren't as busy as they were on Saturday afternoon (duh), and they were really helpful. It may have helped that I said "I'm going to come back in 2 weeks and spend $1900 on a road bike."
The price they quoted the other day for the Frogs was incorrect - the $159 price was actually for the X2.
I only used the pedals for about 10 minutes in the store, and then rode the 12 blocks home and already managed to fall on my butt once. Thank god for padded shorts. The X2 seems pretty easy to clip in to (well, maybe it'll be easy after another day), but I'm not used to getting out yet. I think I'm trying too hard, and it seems like I'm going to screw up my ankle. I think I'll need a good long ride with lots of traffic-free stops to get a little more comfortable.
I will have to get cleat covers for these things, because it's nearly impossible to walk at all with them - and I have to carry my bike up 4 flights of stairs when I get home.
Thanks for the bike shop advice, Nigel. I've always dealt with Renaissance because they're so close to me, and sometimes their service has been sort of weak, but they were great today. I was given a lot of attention and advice on both pedals and shoes, and they put the cleats on the shoes and put on the pedals for free. I hope they're that good when I go back to buy the bike...
Excuse the double-postOstimu
Apr 30, 2001 5:52 PM
It seems that clicking the "back" button on the browser reposts the message. That's odd. And this site doesn't have a "delete message" option. Drat.