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Pinarello Prince or Kestrel EMS?(13 posts)

Pinarello Prince or Kestrel EMS?vram
Apr 26, 2001 12:21 PM
My bikeshop sponsor can get me the Pinarello Prince or Opera at near cost. For the same price as the Pinarello Prince I can also get a discounted Kestrel 200 EMS. I have ridden the Kestrel and it fits great and rides like a dream. The Kestrel as most of you know is one-piece carbon frame.

I have never ridden a Pinarello before and may not have a chance to ride one before I buy it although I have all the specs. I love the paint job on the Pinarellos. Both the Pinarellos have carbon forks and carbon seat-stays. The Prince is alu and Opera is steel (limited colors). The Prince weighs 2.85lbs and Opera a few ounces more.
Most of my riding will be club rides, some racing and longish tours (like the one Doug just did).

I presently ride a cannondale so either choice would be a step up.

Any suggestions? Has anyone ridden or owned a Prince? What's your experience?

Thanks much!
re: Pinarello Prince or Kestrel EMS?DINOSAUR
Apr 26, 2001 10:19 PM
I wish I had your problem. I have no experience with either frame. I've read reviews on the Pinarello Prince and it's rated as one smooth riding machine. The downfall (I could be wrong here) is that the frame is good for about five seasons. Speaking just for myself, I'd be leary about forking over a tidy sum (you didn't indicate how much) if I wasn't familiar with the ride.
Perhaps someone more knowlegable than I will respond, I hate to see your post die.....On the other hand I have never heard a bad word about a Kestrel. It's a nice problem to have..... both are super frames....It's nice to see a topic that is actually about bikes...
Are you kidding me?!mmaggi
Apr 27, 2001 5:41 AM
vram,

I haven't ridden any of the frames you mentioned.

Although the Kestrel is a fine frame, it's no Pinarello Prince or Opera.

The Pinarello Prince has to be one of the top 3 frames in world regarding performance and looks. The Opera is better choice to the Prince if long term ride comfort is a concern even though both come with a carbon seat stay.

I'd go with the Prince, with no hesitations or regrets. The tubing is aluminum (Deda SC61.10) and it will be fine for the short-term and long-term. Pinarello is an excellent frame builder and the tubes are multi-butted and multi-shaped. The over-sized down tube is bell shaped. The tope tube is similarly shaped, but not as large. I believe the seat tube is oval.

Multi-butted and multi-shaped tubes is very important regarding the quality and the overall life a light, thin walled frame will give.
Pinarello Opera it is!vram
Apr 27, 2001 11:31 AM
I've decided to go for the Pinarello Opera. The Opera is an amazing frame--2.85lbs for a steel frame with carbon seat-stays! The main reason I chose the Opera is because it will last longer than the Prince and as some of you have pointed out, has a smoother ride. I am limited by the choice in paint schemes though--they have the smoke-silver and the Fasso Bartolo team colors. I am gong with the red, white and blue of the FB team color. The smokey silver is very elegant, but under-stated--wouldn't match the owner :)

I may have gone for the Prince, but even at cost it got outside my budget because I had to add $120 for a pinarello dedicated 30mm seatpost, I also had to get a stem and a matching saddle.

The seatpost of the Pinarello is the only thing that puts me off. They've chosen such a weird diameter (30mm) that only Pinarello makes seatposts at that size. I can't use my old seatpost!
Pinarello Opera it is!vram
Apr 27, 2001 11:35 AM
I've decided to go for the Pinarello Opera. The Opera is an amazing frame--2.85lbs for a steel frame with carbon seat-stays! The main reason I chose the Opera is because it will last longer than the Prince and as some of you have pointed out, has a smoother ride. I am limited by the choice in paint schemes though--they have the smoke-silver and the Fasso Bartolo team colors. I am gong with the red, white and blue of the FB team color. The smokey silver is very elegant, but under-stated--wouldn't match the owner :)

I may have gone for the Prince, but even at cost it got outside my budget because I had to add $120 for a pinarello dedicated 30mm seatpost, I also had to get a stem and a matching saddle. And damn taxes!

The seatpost of the Pinarello is the only thing that puts me off. They've chosen such a weird diameter (30mm) that only Pinarello makes seatposts at that size. I can't use my old seatpost!
Pinarello Opera it is!john e cakes
Apr 27, 2001 1:41 PM
So, what is the scoop? Have you had some time on the Opera yet? I just got my Opera frame 4 days ago, and am still assembling my dream bike. I agree, that the steel and carbon combo should offer more life than the alum Prince. I had a really hard time getting the frame in my size. Where did you buy yours from? I was also disappointed to see all the beautiful colors in the Pinarello catalog, and then to find that in the US, there seemed to be a choice of two, although both are very nice.
Pinarello Opera it is!vram
Apr 27, 2001 8:01 PM
My local bike shop placed the order directly with the importer (I believe it is GITA) and those folks are supposed to get a shipment in the next couple of weeks. So I am waiting with bated breath. I went to GITA' website and they listed only two colors for the Opera. So no, I haven't had a chance to ride a Pinarello yet. But considering that they are available in 1cm increments, and I know my optimal tt length, fit shouldn't be a problem. I am getting a damn good deal too--at least $600 less than the lowest listed price that I have seen.

To get the full-range of colors one could order from Romeobicycles:
www.romeobicycleshop.com/opera.htm

I have also seen some places that sell the frameset for $1850.

Please let me know how the Opera rides. Also, what color did you choose?
Pinarello Opera it is!john e cakes
Apr 30, 2001 9:53 AM
What a dog! If you get that frame for 1200, it's a steal. I got lots of deals on most everything, but I relented and paid full price for the frame. Brutal. I'm not a new bike every year kind of guy. My last ride was purchased in 1996. I'll have this one for a long time with this much $ invested. I chose the silver model. It is beautiful. Very clean and perfect paint. Great welds. I will ride it tomorrow if the weather here lifts. It's pouring. If all goes well, I'll have 200 miles on it by Sunday. I'll let you know. Good luck to ya.
That's how much I will be paying...:)vram
May 1, 2001 10:48 PM
although you would have to add taxes, $120 seatpost, matching selle italia seat $70, and a stem $80 (?). So I am looking at $1500+ for all that stuff. I will move the campy daytona compo from my old bike to the new one. I know the Opera deserves better :) but I have hardly put in one season on my components. Down the line will upgrade to Chorus. I am glad to know you like the bike. I think the silver color is very Nice! Very understated kind of beauty from what I could make out from the catalogue. Enjoy!
not 1/2 as bad as SinclairBS
May 1, 2001 10:03 AM
No choice of DeRosa colors, limited sizes, and you gotta buy a complete bike
Pinarello Opera it is!BS
May 1, 2001 10:06 AM
4 days to build???
30 mm seatpostpeloton
May 1, 2001 9:47 AM
If you wanted to get around the seatpost issue, just check into a seatpost shim. Tamer makes some nice aluminum ones. I would imagine you could get one for a 30mm to run a smaller post in your Pinerello. I'm sure Pinerello's posts are nice, but this could increase your options.
Will check them out. Thanks! (nm)vram
May 1, 2001 10:56 PM