|Bloody wheels suckin' @@$#%$^@!||Largo|
Apr 22, 2001 5:35 PM
|Just have to vent!
I know some consider it "tactics" to hang at the back for a whole race then dash in for the trashy win, but if you are going to ride in the lead group, you need to earn your keep.
Call it my protestant work ethic...wait! I'm not protestant!!!
You can guess what happened at the last race.
|Largo? couldn't be going that fast (sorry couldn't help it) NM||Made in Taiwan|
Apr 22, 2001 8:51 PM
|If you are really made inTaiwan, you must be short:)||Largo|
Apr 23, 2001 5:13 AM
|Oh my wounded ego!
Youre just baitng me, aren't you?
|If you are really made inTaiwan, you must be short:)||Tiger|
Apr 23, 2001 9:15 AM
|Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Made In Taiwan was referring to the musical term "Largo" which means slow (referring to the tempo of a song.) I wouldn't fret too much about the race. Any rider who uses this tactic often enough will be found out. Hopefully you had a good race anyway.|
|DOH! Tiger, thanks for the wake up! I missed the pun. Guess i||Largo|
Apr 23, 2001 12:15 PM
|really am slow?|
|Sound's like you were outmanuevered.||Scy|
Apr 23, 2001 1:11 AM
|Sorry, I don't race and I've never raced. So I appologize if my reasoning seems too black and white. |
But from my understanding, wheelsucking is not against the rules. Looks like both he and you followed the rules and he won. I assume that the goal is to win while following the rules. Sounds like he was the better racer if not the stronger rider. Why is it "wrong" for him to win?
|When someone is not strong enough to pull at the front...||Largo|
Apr 23, 2001 5:10 AM
|But can only hide in the groupetto, thats not being the stronger rider/better racer. Thats being weak.
When the whole lead break yells at a rider to take their turn pulling. But the rider can't because they are not stromg enough, thats just bad etiquette.
If you ever race, and work your butt off for the whole race, only to have someone who has sucked the groups wheels for the whole race knip you at the line 'cause they have fresh legs, you will understand grasshopper.
|When someone is not strong enough to pull at the front...||Larry Meade|
Apr 23, 2001 5:37 AM
|It sounds like the group you were in needed to do more than yell at the offending rider. There are ways to get a weaker rider off the back. If he was truly weaker, then you should have been able to get rid of him. The fact of the matter is, he beat you and he did it legally. I have done it before myself. I had a team mate up the road and was covering a chase with two members of an opposing team. THey worked like crazy and I didn't. My teammate stayed away and won. My chase group stayed away and I took the sprint for second. Was I wrong for doing this? I don't think so. They could have kept attacking me until I broke but they didn't. They tried the yell and berate tactic. I explained that as long as my teammate was up the road, I wasn't working. They just accepted it instead of trying to do something about it. This type of tactic is a fact of life in racing, you either learn how to counter it or live with it. If you can not do either of these, you might stick to time trials where strength and exerience will win every time.|
|Totally agree, alls fair in love and war, but it still........||Largo|
Apr 23, 2001 12:19 PM
|P!sses me off!!
In this instance, we were all on our own, as all teammates were off the back, trying to keep the break away in a strong headwind, and no one ahead.
And youre right about tt. The race of truth!!!!!!!!
|All's fair in cycling and war...||Mass Biker|
Apr 23, 2001 7:19 AM
|Makes me think of a great article in Cycle Sport, talking about racing like an Australian vs. racing like a European (an interview with the Australian on Rabobank who won Tour de Mallorca). Basically, an Australian always takes pulls/shares the work/does everything to make a break stick. The European races smart and takes the stage. No prizes for the guy who does the most work in a break/chase group (take it from me - I know this all too well). Plenty of prizes for the guy who wins it. With that aside, there is something to be said about "making a race", and I agree with you - wheelsuckers/hangers-on drive me crazy. But instead of arguing with the offender, let your legs to the speaking and drop him (good). If it is clear that he isn't strong enough to pull at the front, it should also be clear that he will be fresh in the finale. That means putting the hurt on the offender before the final meters. Another solution is to have him realize that he is getting a free ride courtesy of you and your hard-working companions, and for him to respect your efforts in the final sprint. Yeah right. Just drop him. - MB|
|I hate it too!||Lance A|
Apr 23, 2001 4:57 AM
|I shoulda won a big race a few years ago, but somebody "boogered" me at the end.|| |