|Rolf Leaving Trek??||JBergland|
Apr 18, 2001 8:40 AM
|I stopped by the local bike shop on my way home last night to pick up a couple things. After spending 40 minutes (should have been a 3-5 minute stop!!) visiting with the owner, he shares with me that Rolf is leaving Trek. He had just found out about this 3-4 weeks ago and was a little concerned about parts/service issues with Rolf wheels? Anyone else heard about this??|
|Yep, check the website it's gone.(nm)||J.S.|
Apr 18, 2001 9:25 AM
|would that mean Lemond too? (nm)||ET|
Apr 18, 2001 9:49 AM
|re: Rolf Leaving Trek??||grz mnky|
Apr 18, 2001 10:13 AM
|So much for the "greatest thing since sliced bread." Whoops my disdain for things Rolf is showing again. Guess that means that Trek is out looking for another wheel mfr. to take over. It will be interesting to see how well Rolf does on their own - it could be a good or a bad thing.|
|re: Rolf Leaving Trek??||pmf|
Apr 18, 2001 10:35 AM
|I always secretly believed that Rolf is some guy Trek hired as a front man. Think about it. They come up with these cool looking wheels, but what to call them. Can't call them Trek wheels. Icon is out since it is synonymous with low quality. So they hire this slick looking guy with a German name (of course German, they're the best engineers in the world) to pretend to be the inventor. He's just too perfect. He poses for ads, travels to bike shops and hands out the wheels at races.
Just my imagination and lack of love for Trek here, don't take me too seriously.
|Off on a tangent. I would think Japanese engineers would give...||Jimbob|
Apr 18, 2001 11:00 AM
|Germans a run for their money. THe japanese stuff IMO is usually not aesthetically or cosmetically appealling but you just cant beat their products. Great R&D.|
|Off on a tangent. I would think Japanese engineers would give...||pmf|
Apr 18, 2001 11:13 AM
|Hey I agree. No one nationality or race has the corner on being the best anything. Its just that Germans have the reputation of carefully thinking out details and that image seems like something a Trek marketing ploy might try to exploit.|
|germans the weakest link||jp2|
Apr 18, 2001 1:41 PM
|My wife's boss builds/collects little Italian cars. He says that it is funny that the weakest links in the cars are the german parts.|
|Uhuh....Now You've Done It.||grz mnky|
Apr 18, 2001 1:58 PM
|So you think anyone crazy enough to collect little Italian cars doesn't have a few screws loose? |
Anyone that knows cars can assail you with a huge load of Italian car stories. Right up there with British cars and Lucas electrics (the Prince of Darkness). It is so typical that one Uru-peein' nationality blames the problems with it's designs on another nationality. You know what FIAT stands for, right? (Fix It Again Tony). If they're so good why do they buy "obviously inferior" parts from the Germans? Could it be that the concept was flawed to begin with, they couldn't make it themselves so they turned to the experts with a much higher labor rate? No matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd. Funny how the Germans don't blame anyone for their problems and that they have much higher levels of quality. Must be slipping all their junk to Italy at night while no one is watching....
German cars have their limitations, but in general they are Vunder Vagons. Think of all the available German cars and where they stand in the market place and now do the same for the Italians, realizing of course that most of the Italian cars aren't even imported to the US anymore.
Why do you get off passing of this friend of a friend/urban legend stuff when it's so obviously flawed?
You just opened up a firehose hoping to get a drink of water....
|Uhuh....Now You've Done It.||jp2|
Apr 19, 2001 4:49 AM
i was just passing on some info my wife gave me. We think it is funny that he collects these cars. The guy is a Big Ten prof in Mech. engineering. I think it was some electrical parts he was referring to, don't quite remember, as I was only half listening at the time. I thought it sounded funny, but hey, he is the one doing the work.
|bosch parts were the items(nm)||jp2|
Apr 19, 2001 5:02 AM
|Uhuh....Now You've Done It.||pmf|
Apr 19, 2001 5:23 AM
|Why collect Italian cars? Well that's obvious, once you get 3 or 4, you'll be assured of always having one that runs.
This is funny ---
I've got a friend who has a POS Alpha Graduate. The bumpers on this car are pretty much huge metal bars welded to the frame. So he's sitting at a stoplight and some woman in a huge SUV rear ends him in his little 2-seater at pretty low speed. It puts a tiny dent in his bumper, but knocks off the whole front end of her rugged, tough, four wheel drive behemoth. Apparently she was a bit shocked.
|German made FIAT parts||Breck|
Apr 18, 2001 7:17 PM
|There is some possibility that the parts giving problems or breaking is due to the manufacturing specs FIAT assigned to the parts. Any manufacturing supplier builds to the specifications given and don't typically R&D for the end user; that would be FIAT design engineers responsibility aka Tony. |
just a thought
|Japanese TQM is the reason they are successful||Breck|
Apr 18, 2001 6:46 PM
|TQM ... Total Quality Management in the manufacturing process. |
As you may know, before Dr. Edwards Demming arrived in Japan, "made in Japan" was considered junk. The Japanese were the first to accept Dr. Edwards Demming's (an American, but could get no acceptance here in the beginning) philosophy seeking to improve the quality of a firm's goods or services thru manufacturing management and design building "quality" into the product; not endless quality checks and re-work, attempt at "fix" re-design, and replacement parts after, etc.
Japanese firms were the first to use TQM and the results have been outstanding in many firms. In the USA Xerox has reduced defects and problems dramatically; Hewlett-Packard and Ford picked up on it also. Rockwell had a go at it too, and many others.
Don't know if Shimano, Campy, what German Firms, et. al, use TQM.
Apr 19, 2001 9:24 AM
|If that's the same TQM BS of blathering generalities (after all, how can you argue with "quality"?) that we were subjected to at work and punished for not playing along with until it disappeared a year or two later and was replaced by later fads so as to continually enrich those who invent them, no thanks! :-) Maybe it worked in manufacturing and bikes, but not in the white-collar environment. Sorry, you struck a chord there!|
|I hear you ...||Breck|
Apr 19, 2001 12:20 PM
|Yes, had to take the seminar at the Rock (Autonetics Marine Systems Division of Rockwell, now Boeing) back in 1990. It did not work there either for white-collar management. My take is that it really requires a pure manufacturing environment where the Big Boyz at the Top decree it, i.e. "Thout Shall ..." as in Japan. |
I believe that those outside-services giving the Seminar are the only ones made out.
|Shimano pressure?||Jesse Smith|
Apr 18, 2001 1:06 PM
|Ultegra and Dura-Ace wheels perform best when they have no competition.|
|Japanese build in quality--engineering?||STEELYeyed|
Apr 18, 2001 1:27 PM
|The Japanese are good at reverse engineering,in other words they can take a well engineered product,copy the design,and build in quality at a reasonable price because they don't have to spend the money on R&D,and their mfg. methods have been copied world wide. Every genre'
of people has their own niche' I guess.
|Yes, asian companies are the kings of duplication, but||Jimb0b|
Apr 18, 2001 2:31 PM
|but you cant say SHimano hasnt made tons of innovations in our beloved sport. Overall thier stuff is bullet proof. They probably have the best R&D around (ie skunkworks) Campy did copy a few ideas Shimano has used. Campy has their strong points, but its tough to beat the smoothness of Shimano IMHO. Lets not talk about VWs. I just get upset. This is a bike site right?? Happy Pedaling.|
|sites still there Rolf's not going anywhere(nm)||n8|
Apr 18, 2001 3:36 PM
|Um... the site is gone||Duane Gran|
Apr 19, 2001 3:30 AM
|From what I see, their site is gone: |
They basically point you to the www.trekbikes.com site. This is very bad form, and as a Rolf Wheel owner I'm a little concerned. Hopefully this thing will iron out soon.
Regarding the wheels themselves, I have to say the my Vector Comps are great wheels. I rode them 3200 miles and they were as true as the first day I rode them. I got into a crash and bent the rim a little, but aside from this the wheels have been great for me.
|try this then... site seems to work for me||n8|
Apr 19, 2001 6:36 AM