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Should I trade in the Ultimate/what's it worth?(7 posts)

Should I trade in the Ultimate/what's it worth?Monte2
Apr 17, 2001 9:51 AM
I have a 99 LS Ultimate w/ Ultegra. I bought the bike on the recommendation of my LBS. I trusted him and still do to some degree. I went from a Trek CF to the Ultimate. Since the change, I've re-adjusted the stem twice; went through 3 saddles; 2 different tapes; and finally went to the Easton CF bar, all in an effort to try to get comfortable. I recently have been reading many threads that have described the Ultimate as being too stiff. I've seen many who bought an Ultimate and rode for one season before trading it in. I don't race, but wanted a fast comfortable bike which would last. This might be a case of opening Pandora's box, but do I just continue to ride it after spending so much time, effort and money in getting it "dialed in," or should I investigate other bikes to see if there are more comfortable bikes. Maybe ignorance is bliss. OTOH, for the amount of money, why should I compromise? If I do trade it in, what's a fair price assuming excellent condition?
Assuming it's 58cm, about $100....MeDotOrg
Apr 17, 2001 10:10 AM
...or you could donate it directly to the MeDotOrg Home for Wayward Titanium Bicycles...


A very hard decision you have to make, especially after spending so much time and money trying to get the bike "dialed in", but I'm afraid that this may not be "YOUR Bike". To really give an answer to your question, I think we need a little more information about what EXACTLY is "not comfortable" or not as good as the Trek CF.
Assuming it's 58cm, about $100....Ray Sachs
Apr 17, 2001 11:15 AM
If you're adjusting everything to get comfortable, it probably isn't the stiffness that's causing you problems, but the fit. For the kind of money you'd spend on an Ultimate (or a replacement), I'd have a professional fit done by a custom builder who's bias you understand and are comfortable with. If it's comfort you're after, I wouldn't think a bike with super short chainstays like the Ultimate is a good way to go. Then again, maybe the angles aren't right for you and your weight isn't distributed well over the two wheels, the BB, etc.

If you've had this bad experience once, don't make the same mistake again - make sure the next one fits and to hell with name or material.

about 50-60% of retail price...dave
Apr 17, 2001 1:28 PM
If it's in good shape with low mileage. With all the closeout deals on Litespeed frames, its hard to get much more than 50 or 60 percent of retail price from any used Litespeed.

I had the same experience with the Ultimate. Rode it for 4000 miles and got rid of it. Too damn stiff.
I've got a 99 UltimateSneakyFast
Apr 17, 2001 1:38 PM
I bought my 99 Ultimate -61cm used with full DA, DA / Open Pro wheels- about a year ago and paid $2,600 for it. I absolutely love it. But then I am 220lbs and use it mostly for racing. I definately wouldn't say that it rides harshly, but it is on the firm side of a Ti ride. Coming from CF, you probably notice the firmness more. I've heard others -lighter guys riding smaller frames- complain about the harshness of the Ultimate. Every bike that you buy will have compromises. If a bike is made to be as fast as the Ultimate, it will most likely come at the expense of total ride quality. I noticed an big improvement in the quality of the ride when I switched to an Easton CF seat post. But from what you're saying, you should probably sell yours. There are many more typical Ti rides out there -more compliant.
But, in the way of spreading the good word, This bike is fast -way fast. 39.3 cm chainstays, and less than 100 cm wheelbase in a 61 cm frame size - Whoooeeeeee! Look at the geometry. No bike is as fast as this. Not the C40, not the Trek, not even the Palmares (until Litespeed figures out how to duplicate the Ultimate's geometry in 6/4 Ti.) This is the Ferrari of road bikes, not meant to be driven in traffic.
Check your tiresKerry Irons
Apr 17, 2001 4:56 PM
If the only problem is vertical compliance, you can keep the "hot" geometry and responsive frame but soften the ride with bigger tires. If you haven't tried it, going up a size in tires might improve comfort a lot, and you won't really lose any performance.
re: Should I trade in the Ultimate/what's it worth?tr
Apr 17, 2001 8:55 PM
I say you shouldn't have to compromise for what you paided. If you feel inclined, i say sell it and get yourself a cf trek. You know you will be happy with that and you know how to dial it in, no sweat. Have you tried a cf seatpost? I would have asked if you had used a ti seatpost, but on a ti frame that is a no no.