|Donut Run ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 3:51 PM
|First, you gotta understand, here in San Diego they basically don't know how to make a decent donut. It was a real revelation here when Krispy Kreme opened a store to show 'em how we do it back east. Most places out here, you ask for a creme-filled donut and they either give you a blank stare or hand you a custard-filled donut, which is not the same thing at all. |
So Sunday morning I got homesick and got this craving for a proper creme-filled donut, so I hopped on the Schwinn and headed over to Clairmont Mesa Blvd for the one and only decent donut shop in town, the new KK. 10.5 miles one way, ate two very good chocolate-glazed creme-filled donuts, hopped back on and rode home by an alternate route that included a couple of good climbs, diverted to the lake (another good climb to get there) and did a couple of laps for good measure. 40 miles for two donuts.
In defense of KK's donuts, these things are mostly sugar and fat and just a trace of more complex carbs. Pure, quick-burning energy. They'll kill an ordinary person, but I think I could ride a century on half a dozen of these things.
|re: Donut Run ...||mike mcmahon|
Apr 16, 2001 4:02 PM
|In-N-Out at the turnaround point a few weeks back, Krispy Kreme run yesterday: Why don't you just strap a bucket of lard to your bars and get it over with? ;-)|
|re: Donut Run ...||tommyb|
Apr 16, 2001 4:05 PM
|HH: I beg to disagree with your assessment of KK. I now live in the south, where Krispy Kreme is King. I just can't get excited about these things, and I'm a donut lover from way back. Sure, they've got good sugar and grease content, but they lack the yeasty texture and firmness of a good raised donut. Also, Kremes are completely useless if they are older than about 15 minutes. I would happily trade all of the Krispies in Dixie for one good Dunkin' Donuts. Or better yet, a cheese danish from Forsberg's Swedish Bakery in Rockford, Illinois.
|Actually, if I could find a proper Spudnuts ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 4:20 PM
|Well, yeah, I have to agree with you ... back east KK gets about all the respect of Greasy Mac's, deservedly. But you ain't been stuck out here in the wastelands of Socal for two years, the only fluffy filling to be found buried inside of Twinkies! We won't even go into the avocado and bean-sprout pizzas and the pasty, characterless California cheese they promote endlessly. |
At Virginia Tech, we had a donut shop, Carol something. Everyone called it by the old name, Spudnuts. Those sneaky beggars had the perfect location. They had two vent fans on the kitchen, one opened on College Ave, the other on a network of alleys that opened all over the block. When they baked, if you were anywhere on that block, you KNEW it, and folks streamed in to get them hot from the donut machine.
Apr 17, 2001 3:43 AM
|I moved from SoCal to Georgia by way of Kentucky. After 22 years in SoCal with Dunkin' Donuts and Winchell's, Krispy Kreme donuts were a BIG disappointment. To quote Homer Simpson..."Donuts...is there nothing they can't do."|
|re: Donut Run ...||LLSmith|
Apr 16, 2001 4:16 PM
|Years ago I would stop in when the red light was on for some hot fresh glazed. As I got older the sugar buzzzzz became so intense that after about five minutes all I wanted to do was take a nap. Do they have Krystal's out there? Talk about where's not the beef.|
|Speaking of Krystals.....||WCC|
Apr 16, 2001 4:21 PM
|....I know a guy who fell asleep IN the drive thru line. A cop woke him up by tapping his nightstick on the glass of the passenger window, where by chance his girlfriend was sitting in her own vomit.
Funny thing is...somehow, and I have no clue how, the guy didnt go to jail.
Ahhhhh...Krystal..home of the gutbombs.
|No Krystals, Go for Sliders||tommyb|
Apr 16, 2001 4:45 PM
|Once again, living here in exile in Dixie, I'm forced to live without the true original White Castles. Krystals are a pale imitation not worthy of my late-nite drive-up dollars.|
|Hey Yankee boy.....||WCC|
Apr 16, 2001 7:26 PM
|...WhiteCastle(1921) may have 11 years on the Krystal(1932), but don't you go insulting our gutbombs. Only WE can insult our gutbombs.|
|My most humble apologies||tommyb|
Apr 16, 2001 8:27 PM
|You are correct, it is not my place to disparage the good name of fine Southern institutions like Krystals and Krispy Kremes. How thoughtless of me.|
|My most humble apologies||usgrant|
Apr 17, 2001 5:51 AM
|that is a very sly and backhanded apology. wish i had thought of it.|
|Nope, no Krystals ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 4:26 PM
|... they're mostly SouthEast I think, little quarter-sized beef patties on a smallish buisquit they call a bun, with a "secret sauce" that turns out to be a mix of mustard and ketchup. Out here the closest is probably In-n-Out, which has a very limited all-burger menu, but pretty good burgers. |
The nasty shop out here is Carl's, which is in some ways related to Hardees (both are now using a dorky ad gimmic called "Famous Star", otherwise they are nothing alike). Carl's ads are aimed at slovenly, clueless young males. Their motto: "Some guys would STARVE without us." All I can say for sure is they make the worst taco I've ever eaten, and I never went back a second time.
|Carl's Jr. taco???||Cliff Oates|
Apr 16, 2001 4:55 PM
|Man, you don't go to Carls for a taco (or Taco Smell either), you go to a tacqueria where they serve real Mexican food. Carl's does make good burgers, if you're fond of cholesterol and dripping grease. Amazingly, they also serve a BBQ chicken sandwich that tastes pretty good and has maybe 2-3 grams of fat of which 0.5g is saturated fat. In-n-Out burgers are OK, at least the ingredients are fresh (their fries suck, btw), but they're nothing special.|
|NOW you tell me!||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 5:02 PM
|The boss wanted lunch and I was new to the area. I said I was hungry for tacos, he wanted a burger, and he pulled into a Carls Jr. |
Since then, I've found several decent Mexican food shops here, including La Salza.
But if you REALLY want gourmet Mexican food, you want New Mexican cusine, and for that the best place is Santa Fe. The comparison is like typical Chinese food versus the true haute cusine of Tailand.
Apr 16, 2001 5:18 PM
|A few years ago I had a couple of programmers from Indiana working on a project for me and they came out here to the SF area to meet with me. We went out for lunch to a local tacqueria, and they each ordered a couple of burritos. I said "hey guys, that's a LOT of food. Are you sure you want to slam all that down for lunch?"
I'll settle for real Mexican food -- gourmet is someone else's pretensions that may or may not be relevant to my concept of a meal. I can guarantee you won't find real Mexican food at Carl's or Taco Smelll. It is easy to find locally (NorCal).
|Skip In-N-Out; Hit Fatburger||mike mcmahon|
Apr 16, 2001 8:47 PM
|Fatburger's got the best burgers of any chain burger joint in so. Cal, IMHO. However, if you're looking for a good burger in L.A., it's hard to beat Meatty Meat Burger at Pico and Fairfax. And the scenery's great; you can still see some buildings that were damaged in the '92 riots, er, civil unrest.|
|Hey, you can't forget Tommy's . . .||LAIrish|
Apr 17, 2001 10:01 AM
|if you want a burger in SoCal that will "stick to your ribs." Their chiliburger weighs about six pounds and you can taste if for up to a week. Oh yea, and you can get chili peppers on the side, a whole mess of 'em.
Plus, the shop at Beverly and Rampart is a true Los Angeles institution. (Though, I have become somewhat reticent about late night visits. The neighborhood aint what it use to be.)
|Tour De Donut||Spoke Wrench|
Apr 16, 2001 4:58 PM
|Here in the St. Louis area we have a time trial every year in which you get minutes taken off of your time for every glazed donut you eat at two donut stops. The winners always have BIG negative times.
I wonder how long it takes them to clean all the stickum off of their handlebar tape?
|re: Donut Run ...||LBS Guy|
Apr 16, 2001 6:12 PM
|Man down here in Macon, GA the Krystal capitol of the world, we have KK and Krystal's in the same parking lots in a lot of places, You can have 2 heart attacks in one stop, Man i wish as many people came into the shop here as go in Krystal and KK, we'd be milionares,
Later, remember its not the LBS wrenches fault you suck on the bike
|Did you see the post just below?||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 8:26 PM
|Your counterparts out here agree completely!|
|I forgot to mention ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 16, 2001 5:12 PM
|... just around the corner from the Krispy Kreme donut shop is a LBS. Just a little place, I stopped there once looking for a tool nobody seemed to have. They have a sign in the window that faces the general direction of the KK, which reads something like: |
"It is a shame as many people don't like to ride bicycles as like to eat donuts."
|I Love It||tommyb|
Apr 16, 2001 5:31 PM
|Here we are on a cycling board, and one of the fastest growing posts is about donuts, burgers and tacos. Within one hour, Humma has generated more responses than most posts see in a lifetime. And, this is a lot more fun than Campy vs. Shimano. The bad part is, I'm working the night shift, and I was suddenly compelled to drop 50 cents into the vending machine for some pork skins (BBQ, of course). I feel better already.|
Apr 16, 2001 6:38 PM
|Three years of school in LaCrosse WI definitely made me a MR D's donut fans. Nothing was better than walking home at bartime and going to the "walk up" donut window and buying a dozen day-olds for a buck from the bakers making a fresh batch for the next morning.
|re: Donut Run ...||Paul N. VA|
Apr 17, 2001 3:20 AM
|Here in N. VA, we have a goup of rides called Team Donut Gang. When not riding with the club, we make donut runs. This is a 51 mile ride, and includes hill training. We end up at Dunkin Donuts afterwards. I got a kick out of your article due to the fact I use to live in San Diego before moving here. We seem to ride harder after a donut. Nothing like fat and sugar to get you going again. |
|I'll be baaaaack ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 17, 2001 12:22 PM
|... there shortly, about May 5 or so, for good, living in Manassas. Maybe I'll hook up with Team Donut Gang -- the distance is about right for me. |
But where did you find any hills in NoVA? That's one worry when I move home, I don't want my quads to atrophy there in Tidewater VA.
|Give it up, HH, your quads will atrophy. There are no||bill|
Apr 18, 2001 7:09 AM
|hills in No. Virginia. I learned this but good last weekend when I visited my in-laws in CT. Because no one really cares whether I'm there or not, anyway (except to drive), I brought my bike and headed out up and down the river valleys. And, real hills kick my ass. Okay, I'll say it again, for emphasis, real hills kick my ass. These weren't even really long hills, as you encounter in CA, but they were steep. And (once more now, with tears of humiliation), real hills kick my ass. Northern Virginia can't compare. |
I do have to quibble with you about one thing, though, which is locating Tidewater. Tidewater, as far as I know, at least as a cultural region, starts in Richmond and heads east and south (this is the coolest -- the original charter to the Jamestown Co. granted all rights to North America in an expanding triangle that started in Jamestown and headed straight West and Northwest at about a 45 degree angle that would include, for example, Chicago. And Minneapolis. And Seattle.) We in NoVa are considered, in geographical terms, the foothills of the Piedmont, I believe.
Now, Tidewater is FLAT.
|Hills or distance ...||Humma Hah|
Apr 18, 2001 1:35 PM
|... Manassas and Richmond are right on the "fall line" where Tidewater starts. I have the Raven map of Virginia, and Tidewater shows clearly. No topography at all. Which offers me an interesting opportunity -- I've been wanting to do a distance PR someplace flat, which in San Diego County means laps around Lake Miramar until I'm dizzy, which everyone seems to think is silly. But from Manassas, if I head east I'll be in flat country.
Conversely, I can go west and get a few little rolling hills, some of these called "mountains" in Va. There's a brevet series put on by Potomac Pedlars next spring, starting with a 200 k out of Warrenton, heads down to Madison if I recall correctly, that does include about 6900 ft of climbing, making it comparable to the Solvang Century with about 20 more miles stuck on. That would be a nice challenge for me.
If I want some climbing, I could strike out on Rt 50 and head for our cabin in West Virginia, about 130 miles (I could have my wife drop me off part-way if I didn't want the whole ride, or do it as a 2-day, or get a proper roadbike). Its not a GREAT cycle route, but I've seen pacelines out there before many times. The climbs in those mountains are comparable to riding around San Diego County.
|La Mar's Donuts in Kansas City||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 5:54 AM
|La Mar's -- best donuts I ever had. Get there early in the morning, and the hot glazed donuts melt in your mouth. Might have to stand in line, though. Sometimes I think the one-off's do it better than the chains.
I grew up with White Castle's - 'belly bombers'. They only really taste good at 1 o'clock on the morning after a wild night out. They don't feel so good the next day, though. Not ideal cycling food.
Apr 17, 2001 6:52 AM
|Doug, the true name of the White Castle burger is a "slider." This due to the grease that coated your tongue. Sliders were the perfect late night food after being over served at my favorite adult beverage establishment.|
|always 'belly bombers' to me (nm)||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 7:36 AM
|always 'belly bombers' to me (nm)||Andrew|
Apr 17, 2001 2:19 PM
|Actually I think Slider and belly bombers both work well for White Castle burgers. They slide down so easy, and then the time bomb goes off in your belly. Then the next morning they slide right through you.:) You are both correct. Of course I have never eaten a White Castle burger while sober, so the experience might be different with sobriety. |
|Does anyone eat them sober? (nm)||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 3:56 PM
|Sliders are good cycling food||tommyb|
Apr 17, 2001 4:56 PM
|The easiest way to shave off a pound or two is to have a sack of sliders the night before a big race. Think back to high school physics and the law of conservation of mass. Less than a pound goes in, but several pounds come out. Coupled with the diuretic effect of the beer that was inevitably consumed before the slider-fest, you could be approaching dangerously low weight. A sack of 39 cent mighty whiteys has gotta be a lot cheaper than titanium seatpost bolts. The only downside is the way they taste after the first prime. Need to have some mints in your jersey pocket.|
|La Mar's Donuts in Kansas City||KC|
Apr 17, 2001 7:38 AM
|Oh Yeah! LaMars and then Gates for some BBQ. Top That!|
|Gates... or Arthur Bryants! nm||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 8:05 AM
|I grew up within crawling distance of what had to be one of||bill|
Apr 17, 2001 12:20 PM
|the oldest White Castle locations on the East Coast (Union, NJ). You didn't go there to see people you thought were dead exactly, you went there for hamburgers (betcha can't eat one in one bite -- two's easy, but one, whooaaa), but, in the keen flourescent light through the beery, bleary fried onion haze, you always saw people you had thought were dead. Or in jail. They had a guy who worked there until the late seventies that had started, according to legend, in the late thirties. Forty years at a White Castle. His face was actually green. I sh*t you not. I don't know what kind of benefits they offered, but, I'll tell you what, they didn't offer dental. |
Then, they tore it down to build a Dunkin f-ing Donuts.
Apr 17, 2001 5:55 AM
|or Timmies as they are known in Canada are so common, especially on the east coast, that they not only serve as the rendevous,start, mid-ride break and finish for most of our rides, but also act as the break points of any road trips by car - as in meet at the Timmie's in Sackville at 5:00 AM, first break with be the Timmie as the NS/NB border around 7:00, second will 3 hours later in St. Stephen's etc.
The DOUGHNUTS are good, but the muffins are even better. It doesn't hurt that the caffeine content is the highest in town either. Mind you, that's east coast high, not west coast;-)
|Tim Horton's PS||Gonzowest|
Apr 17, 2001 5:57 AM
|They also used to sponsor the Canadian Olympic Cycling team. Had some tres cool Louis Garneau jerseys that for some reason they wouldn't sell to the public.|
|Tim is loose in Michigan too.||tl1|
Apr 17, 2001 6:02 PM
|They have great coffee, better than Starbucks and 75 cents per cup cheaper for a large one. I like their "tea biscuits" they're a little bit reminiscient of scones which are hard to find around here.|
Apr 17, 2001 8:09 AM
|My mental view of svelt cyclists on this board has transformed to imagry of Homer Simpson. :) Of any segment of the population, we probably deserve to splurge now and then. I'll confess... I had a small piece of chocolate this week. It was too hard to pass up with Easter candy all over the place. I hadn't eaten chocolate for months prior, and damn.... it was good.|| |