|Johan Museeuw on Colnago bikes.||J.S.|
Apr 16, 2001 2:23 PM
|This is a Quote from Johan Museeuw concerning his Paris-Roubaix bikes. |
"He [Merckx] has given us a bike that's a lot better than the one that Colango has given us for the last few years."
Interesting, Johan is known as a straight shooter. I wonder how he thought they were better ?
|re: Johan Museeuw on Colnago bikes.||mmaggi|
Apr 17, 2001 5:52 AM
It would be interesting to know why he said that. If I'm not mistaken, Colnago issues to all 3 of their Div I teams C-40s for the Paris-Roubaix. If not the C-40, then the CT-1.
Since the roads are pretty rough for this race, aluminum is not used. Last season, I read in BiciSport that Fasso Bortolo requested the Pinarello Opera (steel with carbon front and rear) for the Paris-Roubaix. For the Giro, Tour and Vuelta, the Prince was used. Steel, Ti or carbon is perfect for the Paris-Roubaix.
I'm sure that the Eddy Merckx frame that was used was either Ti or Steel. I don't think they make a carbon frame.
|aluminum not used cuz the roads are too rough||ET|
Apr 18, 2001 5:08 AM
|If what you say is true, I wonder what the aluminum-forever-and-you-can't-tell-the-difference crowd would have to say about that.|
|re: Johan Museeuw on Colnago bikes.||swilliams|
Apr 17, 2001 6:15 AM
|Could it be he spoke the truth? I personally feel they are one of the most over-rated bikes made. Garish paint on most of them (and non-Imron), Russian Ti, and English made carbon (so I hear). What is so Italian about that? Todson stop distribution because of all the warranty issues. While they have a coveted history, they are no more.|
Apr 17, 2001 6:23 AM
|I have no opinion on the relative merits of the bikes, but I would think that every pro rider is going to profess his sponsor's bikes, helmets, tires, etc., are the best ever. What do you think they get paid to do?
|Naive, are you refering to me?||J.S.|
Apr 17, 2001 7:31 AM
|I was merely pointing out a quote, I made no indication that I believed it. You seem to be a little thin skinned here, why is that? Also, resorting to name calling?|
|no offense intended||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 9:53 AM
|No offense - I just thought that the concept of thinking that these guys would really say what they think is naive - not in the pejorative sense, but factually. They are paid spokespersons. I'd bet you couldn't get one of them to put down a product of their present sponsors for a million dollars. Not only would they lose that sponsor, but they'd likely render themselves sponsorless for the rest of their career, which would be very short at that point.
Frequently, it's very difficult to put the right inflection, or how we say things, here, you know? If I'd been speaking to you face to face, I don't think you'd have taken it that way. That's one of the problems with communicating via the internet.
|re: Johan Museeuw on Colnago bikes.||EdZ|
Apr 17, 2001 6:35 AM
|The Merckx PR frames where, if I'm not mistaken, steel and significantly stiffer than the C40s handed out at Mapai-Quickstep but, more significantly, Merckx tends to spec out the frames with a tad steeper head-tubes and somewhat less trail leading to bicycles that are on Pavé in their elements....|
|Roubaix edition C40's?||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 7:33 AM
|My LBS owner told me that there is a special beefed-up 'Roubaix' edition of the C40. Any truth to that?
|Roubaix edition C40's?||pmf|
Apr 17, 2001 10:06 AM
|I think the bike raced there is the standard C-40 with a Precisa steel fork instead of the Star fork. At least that's what was shown in BiciSport last year. They also double wrap the bars. Postal rides the standard Trek frames. Some teams used to use those road bike rock shocks, but I think that fad has passed. |
And I agree that a rider will always talk up his sponser. You'd never hear any of those guys talk badly about their equipment. They know who pays the bills -- their sponsers. You have to be nice to them. And maybe Johan doesn't like the C-40, does that mean its no good?
In my opinion, this is just another uninteresting "news flash" from the Heraldo Rivera of this board. What does he hope to gain by posting this? Does it inform us of anything? Is it a question to be answered? No. All I can assume is that the poster wants to put Colnago bikes down for some reason. Probably because he doesn't have one.
|Firstly, it's Geraldo not Heraldo||J.S.|
Apr 17, 2001 10:44 AM
|And the libertarian in me cringes at the comparison. If this bit of information is so "uninteresting" as you say why was it printed on two cycling content websites, obviously they thought it was worth mentioning. You assume that I dislike Colnago's, I don't, the truth is that I really like Merckx bikes. Getting back to my original post, I merely printed a quote from an individual, giving no opinion of my own, your unexplainable dislike for me seems to have clouded your thinking. By the way PMF your sycophancy to certain individuals on this board is unbecoming.|
|You, of all people, would know this.||pmf|
Apr 17, 2001 11:40 AM
|Perhaps the EM bikes Johan speaks of are made specifically for this race whilst the C-40's are not. It is a pretty specialized event. Parts of the course more closely resemble a mtn bike course than a road bike course. Anyway, I apologize for trying to explain what motivated your post. We are all entitled to write whatever we want here. Sometimes you bring out the worst in me. |
|re: Johan Museeuw on Colnago bikes.||bdd|
Apr 17, 2001 11:24 AM
|A highly over-rated issue (they ride what they're given) and a highly over-rated bike. Flashy paint does not make a great bike....I cracked two before deciding to look elsewhere.|
|you cracked two?||ColnagoFE|
Apr 17, 2001 12:25 PM
|I've never heard of a problem with a C-40 other than that they are big $...you cracked two? SOmehow I find that hard to believe. Details man!|
|I think more Pro teams ride Colnago than any other bike....||DG|
Apr 17, 2001 12:41 PM
|I own a Cannondale so I believe I don't have an axe to grind :) The impression that pro-riders suffer and grin on their sponsor's bike may not be accurate. The bikes ridden in the pro peloton are not only ridden hard but accumulate zillion miles every year. If those bikes didn't have high standards you would have frame failures in good numbers and you would read about it in the press. Similarly, if the handling characteritics were atrocious, that info would "tricke" down to the press.
You may not like the geometry on your stock Giant, Colnagao or whatever--but you should remember that in most cases pros ride customized bikes that are fitted to their specifications. the components are top-of-the-line anyways. So the degree of difference from one frame to another may not that significant to change the result of a race. At least I don't think so. If you have evidence to the contrary, please state it now.
Colnagos have a fantastic reputation. They are ridden by a number of Div I & II teams. Folks who ride Colnagos have only good things to say about the bike--I have no reason not to believe their evaluations when I read them in forums such as this and in magazines. These bikes have a history, they didn't start making bikes 2-3 years ago, so they must know what they are doing. Having said that, let me put Museuw' statements in perspective.
This is part of what was quoted earlier:
"He was also coy about his new 'special' bike. "I don't want to reveal the measurements. I want to keep it to myself, because next year I want to ride another Paris-Roubaix."
I think Museuw is somehow happier with frame geometry of the Mercx than with the colnagos. geometry is such a personal preference that I think his comments against colnago don't mean much.
|Could it be....||J.S.|
Apr 17, 2001 2:01 PM
|That while Museuuw was on Mapei Ernesto Colnago wouldn't allow him to try a new geometry that differenciated from the Colnago norm, he's known to be rather stubborn, like when he wouldn't allow racers using his frames to mount suspension forks on them. Maybe Merckx allowed Museuuw to explore this new Geometry? I've noticed that Museuuw has a much more upright riding style now than he had a few years ago. Just a thought.|
|I think more Pro teams ride Colnago than any other bike....||bdd|
Apr 17, 2001 2:23 PM
|For the upper reponse, I never said I cracked two C-40's, I said I cracked 2 Colnago's - they were steel....and they weren't very old. Todson didn't stop importing them for nothing...As afr as the above post..I don't think it matters one bit what the pro's ride...they are paid to ride. I would love half the budget Colnago has to pay these teams. But I'd be willing to bet most people on this post remember more about what bikes Lance/Johan/and Mario rode 2 years ago, 3 years ago, 5 years ago than they do. I believe Colnago builds about 10,000 frames a year. That's a good number, etc., etc and it's obvious to anyone who's been riding for awhile that they've been around for many years...that's not the point. The point was Johan said he didn't like his Colnago as much as his Eddie...and that's fine. I'm quite sure it had to do with geometries, blah, blah, blah. I'm also quite sure (I don't know the contract arrangements so this is all heresay...) that if Colnago paid enough all the USPS boys would be riding them next year and say 'damn best bike I ever rode....'
But, as another point, yes I cracked two. (I was cracked to buy the first one actually). They simply do not hold a candle to many American builders these days. I rode a friend's C-40 (with the new b stay) and it was fine...but for the cost, there is simply no way it could possibly stand up to anything in my steed at less of a cost and twice the quality.
|Here's the breakdown of what they ride:||Lazy|
Apr 17, 2001 6:39 PM
|Mapei Colnago Shimano
Fassa Bortolo Pinarello Shimano
Domo Merckx Campy
USPS Trek Shimano
Banesto Pinarello Campy
Rabobank Colnago Shimano
Mercatone Uno Bianchi Campy
Lampre Fondriest Campy
Euskaltel Orbea Campy
Cofidis MBK Campy
Mercury Lemond Shimano
Coast Colnago Shimano
Vini Calderola DeRosa Campy
Liquigas Wilier Trestina Shimano
C. Agricole Look Shimano
ONCE Giant Campy
Telekom Pinarello Campy
Saeco Cannondale Campy
Kelme Look Shimano
Festina Specialized Campy
Lotto GT Campy
This is all according to Cycle Sport
|Lotto is using Shimano this year(nm)||J.S.|
Apr 18, 2001 7:11 AM