|Triple Users Get No Respect...||Akirasho|
Apr 16, 2001 10:15 AM
|... not even from VeloNews...
Witness their latest issue where they report that "Bicycling" readers would soon be testing out Shimano's new Dura Ace triple... hmmmmmm.
In other reported news, Litespeed is testing a prototype for an ultra lite compact road frame... bare 56 cm frame weight... 2.1 lb. Conservative build on 56 cm (2.5 lb with a beefier frame) painted frame... 15.4 lb.
Save your shekels...
And, Tune's PowerTap should be back on track... Tune being purchased by Graber.
Now you'll actually be able to easily and "cheaply" measure all that awesome power once again...
Be the bike.
|yeah, so what?||sheesh|
Apr 16, 2001 10:51 AM
|what did you expect?|
|Triple Users Earn No Respect...||mr_spin|
Apr 16, 2001 1:24 PM
|Why would they even make a Dura-Ace triple?|
Apr 16, 2001 2:15 PM
|Someone will buy the stuff. If we happen to see Lance or some other pro type stud using it, it'll become standard issue on all new bikes in the next couple of years.
Why is it that more gears in back is good but more gears in front is bad? Just curious.
Apr 16, 2001 2:36 PM
|Technicaly - 'Cause the shifting up front suffers with more CR's and shifting across the back is a whole lot smoother since the chain going through the rear der. onto the sprocket is *unloaded* vs. the front. |
As a whole roadies tend to be a lot more insecure than the MTB types and will sneer at you anytime they think that you don't have the right equipment or have the right equipment, but not enough ability to deserve it. In essence anyone not exactly like them. Not all roadies, just enough to keep the attitude festering. It's a little-boy-mine's-bigger sort of thing. The MTB attitude is more along the lines of I'm Ok, you're OK - ain't it great to be out riding instead of sitting home watching the tube, eating chips, and getting fat?
Face it - the DA tripple is going to be for the person who can afford and want "the best" but doesn't have as much power. Or maybe they want to have a very nice touring bike. Or maybe the person is getting older and has had knee surgery or some other medical condition. Or maybe they're doing a really tough ride with lots of climbing - do the Terrible Two and you'll be wishing that just maybe you had a tripple going up some of the "hills" on the second half. The Campy Record "Racing" Tripple is pretty popular on higher end non-racing bikes.
According to the shops - most of the decent road bikes sold in the Bay
Area are equiped with tripples or else they come back and get a conversion.
Apr 16, 2001 3:21 PM
|Hey Grz- I hate to be nitpicky about details, but it really bugs me... "tripple" is not a word. It's spelled "triple" With one "p"
Or is this some weirdo bike term I haven't seen? Or maybe the Brits spell it differently?
Normally I would not point out such little things, but I have always enjoyed and looked forward to your commentary, it being some of the best content on this site. It just hurts the english minor in me to see the word butchered over and over, and it bugs my brain 'cause all I can think of is the actress Jean Tripplehorn...
So keep the good stuff comin'-and I'm sorry in advance for being annoying about details... just help me out with the spelling...
|english minor? Really?||mike mcmahon|
Apr 16, 2001 3:59 PM
|"It just hurts the *english* minor in me to see the word butchered over and over, and it bugs my brain 'cause all I can think of is the actress Jean Tripplehorn..." Gee, I thought English was supposed to be capitalized. But what do I know? I was only a Spanish minor.
P.S. I also hate to be nitpicky about details.
|english minor? Sometimes....||Brian B.|
Apr 16, 2001 5:44 PM
|Mike, please note I would never mention a one-time typo, or a one-off mis-spelling, etc. It was just the continuous double p's were irking me for reasons I can't really nail down. Especially since it was coming from Grz, whose posts are so solid.
I'm sure my own posts have their fair share of errors, including gramatical errors and forgetting capitalization. You caught one. I don't even spell check my stuff... the English minor reference was supposed to be a shot at self-depreciation, but apparently it didn't work that way. I'm sorry.
|No problem||mike mcmahon|
Apr 16, 2001 6:17 PM
|And by the way, I agree regarding GM's posts. Although he is (in his own words) caustic at times, he does add more substance to the discussion than most of the rest of us. Besides, I sort of like the way "tripple" looks. It reminded me of Ripple which, when mixed with Champagne, makes Champipple. :-)|
Apr 17, 2001 9:20 AM
|Thanks for the tip and the compliment! I'm not an English minor, don't even play one on TV, what you're seeing is the engineer in me. I usually run spell check on things, but this site doesn't have an easy way to do it. Learning to spell became a lot easier for me with computers - I actually get immediate feedback and learn rather than just letting the software do it for me. I know what you mean about seeing the same error over and over again.|
|BUZZZ Wrong Answer||OldSchool|
Apr 17, 2001 7:56 PM
|I must disagree that rodies are overall a less likable group than mtbikers.
I ride both.
Both have a large section of people that are really really friendly.
Both have about an equal amount of people who think you can buy speed, or coolness or friends or whatever it is that makes them look down upon all who don't deck their bikes out with flashy after market components. (80% these people are the weakest link..goodbye)
BUT, only MtBikers have an annoying group I simple call the Mt.Dewers - you know these disruptive idiots...luckily road bikers are set apart from these idiots as most people on the road are not looking for some pubesent adrinaline rush.
However...I think the roadie equivelent maybe the guys who ride with no regard to traffic singals?
|Fair 'Nuff||grz mnky|
Apr 18, 2001 10:27 AM
|In general, whenever you generalize, you get things wrong. ;-) However, I had a specific subset of the roadie in mind, you know who he (yes it's usually a he) is. He is easily recognized by the Briko or Rudy project glasses, unique haricut, shaved legs, and some sort of "pro team" jearsey for which he does NOT ride. He usually will not speak to you and prefers to give you the silent treament, unless you kick his ass, even then he may not acknowledge you. I have yet to find anyone behave like this in the MTB world, no matter how great they may or may not be. If he thinks you're a Phred or wearing the wrong helmet - he'll never speak to you. Not that everyone should instantly be buds, but there should be some common connection in that we're all out riding instead of sitting in a sports bar getting fitted for a new set of beer googles. |
I guess Mr. Severe Roadie is ballanced out by DH'ing Beavis who has to push his bike to the top of the hill so he can huck big air.
|A modest explanation||DCP|
Apr 16, 2001 3:20 PM
|You make a lower priced product with good functionality, but then how to get buyers to move up to things like DA? Ah, yes, lets design in a flaw in the less expensive ones, not too great or we will lose sales to you-know-who. OK, I got it, a rattle. It has to be in the most expensive part, the shifter, otherwise, people will just replace what's making the noise. But if it rattles, people test riding will notice it and buy that stuff from the company with the long name. No we can't have that. I know, make the rattle appear only after a few hundred miles. Perfect!
So, a DA triple is a perfect product for anyone with a rattling Ultegra or 105 triple, which, of course, is everyone with a rattling Ultegra or 105 triple.
|There is a valid application...||Bruno S|
Apr 16, 2001 3:24 PM
|Dura-ace triples come in 180mm. Ultegra and 105s do not. A very tall person who is riding a touring bike and needs a triple can now buy Dura-ace. On the other hand it would be much better if Shimano would offer 180mm in 105 and Ultegra groups.|
|There is a valid application...||LBS Guy|
Apr 16, 2001 5:09 PM
|And if yuo have to get a new Dura-Ace crankset, then well you have to get a new Dura-Ace BB cause the splines are different, and the 105 and Ultergra BB wont fit the Crank splines. Maybe them Japs doin know what they're doin after all, have to bring up their economy somehow.|
|There is a valid application...||Bruno S|
Apr 17, 2001 7:44 AM
|I have been wanting to try a 180mm crank set but the price is holding me. I would need to dish out $210 for the crank, then some for the BB. I have a 36.5 leg inseam and have been recommended to use 180mm. The only reason they do not do them in Ultegra or 105 is because they know people that need them will pay the extra money for Dura Ace because they do not have options. BTW I checked campy, 180mm is only available in the Record groupset so it not only the Japs who are greedy.|
Apr 16, 2001 3:45 PM
|Why? Because Shimano is in business to make money. Last I checked there are a lot more recreational cyclists than there are pro and national class riders. Sounds like a smart idea to me.|
|The meaning of fewer front teeth||MeDotOrg|
Apr 17, 2001 10:02 AM
|Not everyone is blessed with legs that can power up all hills. Age or injury can prohibit even the most passionate cyclist from feeling comfortable on some hills with a double.
People have different goals in cycling. A little more "live and let live" and a few less curled upper lips would help the sport. Be glad that more cyclists are on the road; unless you're a dentist, don't worry about people having fewer front teeth.
BTW, I feel compelled to point out that Campy is also promoting racing triples.
|if you need it, get it||Dog|
Apr 17, 2001 3:57 PM
|I think some of you are making this far too complicated. If someone needs a triple, get it. Every mountain bike I had needed it - you must be able to spin seated to maintain traction to get up many steep sections. Most everyone mountain biking can't stand and hammer their way up steep, loose or slick sections of single track - the power pulses would break traction too easily, or the hill's just too darn steep.
When I got back on my road bike, I needed a triple at first, so I had one. Now, with a whole lot of training and losing weight, I don't need it any more. I can get up any hill in a 25 or 27 cog, so why mess with the extra weight and slightly diminished shifting of the triple? However, by all means, get the triple rather than mess up your knees, or worse yet, give up cycling because it's so uncomfortable.
I think it's really that simple. I don't think mountain bikers are any more tolerant or anything, they nearly all just need the triple (although I've seen some amazing single speeders, too). Many road cyclists, including probably 99.9% of racers, just don't need them. Unfortunately, the pervasive attitude is emulate racers or pros, and that's not limited to cycling. It's everywhere, from fishing to autos. IMHO.
|One legit reason for a true racing triple.||shmoo|
Apr 18, 2001 5:52 AM
|You can build a climbing straight block with it. In other words, you can have your cake and eat it too on a mixed course. True - cross chaining and drive train setup will be an issue. Weight MIGHT be an issue (what are we talking - a 1/4 lb?). I would think that a lot of racers would like to be able to run an 11-21 and still be able to climb. That is, of course, if they can shake off the TERRIBLE stigma of running a triple.|
|Not ashamed of my triple, but Dura Ace would embarrass me.||Cory|
Apr 18, 2001 8:04 AM
|Whoever mentioned roadies being less secure than mountain bikers nailed it, I think. I have a triple on my road bike because it makes riding more enjoyable for me--never occurred to me to be embarrassed about it. But if that triple were a DA, I'd feel like a poser. Sort of like wearing a pro team's jersey when I can't ride like they do...oh, wait. You mean people DO that?|| |