|Paris-Roubaix...where the f&@k was USPS???!!!||DT|
Apr 15, 2001 6:44 PM
|Man, did they ever screw George out of a possible better finish than 4th! Domo was ruling the last 1/4 of the race...poor George put in all of the work to even stay close to the leader after he pulled off the front. Never even SAW USPS...if they'd had one or two guys up there with him, he might have had a chance. What gives??|
|Hincapie's chances sacrificed at the alter of Lance!||J.S.|
Apr 15, 2001 8:10 PM
|Until George moves to a team that will sign riders to support his now obvious talent I'm afraid George is destined to underachieve in large races. USPS is just not a squad for classics riders as it is an American team and the only race Americans care about is the TDF. Also did anybody read ANYTHING from Lance congratulating Georgie on his Gent-Wevelgem victory? Can't have more than one star on USPS maybe.|
|re: Paris-Roubaix...where the f&@k was USPS???!!!||tommyb|
Apr 15, 2001 8:35 PM
|Before you bad mouth any team for not supporting a rider, consider the conditions. I'm sure that the Postal riders did everything they could, but they got beat by an awesome team that is designed exactly for this event. The same could be said for every other team in the race. Of the final break of eight, four were from Domo. You could just as easily ask where the Telekom or Lampre support riders were. They were all suffering with the rest. It's not as easy as just saying, "get up there and help."
I find it hard to believe that anyone would think that these professionals were not doing everything in their power to help their team leaders, that they were slacking off because they don't want to work for George or Ludo or Steffan or Andre or whomever. Only 55 riders even made it to Roubaix. The domestiques protect their riders for as long as they can, then it's up to the leaders to find some way to win. In this case, Domo had the best team, and it's not surprising looking at the history of their boss, Patrick Lefevre.
Give credit where credit is due, to the winners and to those who gave their all fighting for second (or in this case, fourth) place.
|re: Paris-Roubaix...where the f&@k was USPS???!!!||tr|
Apr 15, 2001 9:21 PM
|I agree with your accessment of the race and the effort of other USPS riders. But, i also have believed for several years that George should have moved to a classics team or USPS should have signed some classics riders to help him. In my humble opinion, i think George has suffered lower placings due to his teams attitude toward the classics since Lance is only interested in the tour. This should not surprise people, the team (USPS,Motorola) has always been shaped to support Lance (be it classics or stage races). But, it would have been nice if they had signed a few riders to support George. I think George has reached that status now. Only nine guys can ride the tour, and even taking injuries and sickness in to account, the team could have afforded to make a better effort to sign experienced classics riders to help him. I am sure USPS's budget exceeds most teams (including Domo).|
Apr 15, 2001 11:50 PM
|At that level, bike racing is big business, and team decisions must be made as business decisions, both by the team management and by the riders. For USPS, they are getting their sponsorship dollar value by putting together a Tour contender. There would be little incremental incentive to hire more classics riders. For George Hincapie, I imagine his endorsement value in the US is higher being a member of a US team that wins the Tour than as a classics winner on a Belgian team. Hincapie has obviously talked to other teams, and either as a business decision or a personal decision, has decided to stay with his current team. It may cost him a World Cup win, and a shot at the green jersey, but he knew that before signing the contract. The team management is under no obligation to hire support riders for him.
Last year, Hincapie did get great USPS support at Paris-Roubaix. He had teammates with him until nearly the end, and had Frankie Andreau off the front with Museeuw. Once again, the strongest rider with a team fully designed for this race won. But where were the Mapei boys during the grand tours?
Apr 16, 2001 5:58 AM
|I said it would have been nice, i didn't say it was an obligation. And as for the Mapei boys, they choose to not put all their eggs in one basket, just as Lance used to and probably will again some day. As a business, they have put much more money into cycling than USPS. They could have a tour contender if they wanted one. I don't think you should downgrade their efforts in the tour as they have done just as much if not more for cycling than USPS. Green jersey or not, world cup win or not, George's abilities and efforts will be and are more appreciated in Europe than the US.|
Apr 16, 2001 7:59 AM
|Yeah, the 190+ starters and 55 finishers says it all... good post.
|Hell of the North, the Queen of the Classics||Breck|
Apr 16, 2001 3:30 AM
|Didn't have my stop watch out but hard to get the Big Picture when being shown about 30 dis-jointed segment minutes of 6-7 hour so called Paris-Roubaix, Hell of the North (did not start at Paris for this one). Typically Moto One is with the leaders and has no concern where the support of each team is back in the pack trying to keep up. Even Tchmil, winner of the 1994 P-R in sim to muddy like but not near as bad mud/ rain as this one, couldn't get position and finished 8th. Hincapie had a bike prob when leading, and still managed to recover. It was pretty obvious he had no chance near the end of placing first and managed the 4th. And Museeuw should have been the one to jump but would have only prolonged H's agony, as Hincapie got to recover a little before the final End. |
The more important thing to US is that Hincapie, with his win at Gent-Wevelgem, has added his name as the only other American, besides Lance Armstrong, to win a Euro One Day Classic. The Only Other One. And only ONE time trial in the Classics that count, gentleman, and that is the one you are riding with or without any support you can muster on that given day under those conditions and Lady Luck smiling or not.
Shitt, do not believe Big Mig ever rode P-R. Gone are the likes of Eddy Merckx and those of his ilk that did it all. This New Era of specialists and trick shitt bikes/ gear and Champion Time Trialers in the Giro & le Tour ... is your Cake today; not multi-layered as it used to be.
Mebee some day down the road we will get direct Euro satellite feed & can better see what's going on. I nominate Hincapie for the "color" announcer for P-R when that fine day comes. Bet the upcoming post interviews with George we are fed will be modest as to the why's and wherefore's of his support, etc.
just my take
|You can get live satellite feed..||DG|
Apr 16, 2001 1:29 PM
|Get OLN via your cable TV company or Direct-TV.
|Have Direct-TV Hughes satt ...||Breck|
Apr 16, 2001 3:08 PM
|Live as in "every minuto of the race" the way they have it "over there" & with Moto's 1, 2, 3, etc. to follow the Leaders and Chasers. You know, the way we get football, baseball, basket ball, marathon coverage, tennis, golf, etc., "over here". Will tape off the Giro & Tour, editing out the breaks, & the long mountain stages ain't half bad. |
Some parts of Canada are far north enuff to pick up direct Euro satt full time live feed , I am told.
Apr 16, 2001 8:17 PM
|How did you come by the pen name of "Abilene?" Hometown or what? If a hometown, which one?|
Apr 17, 2001 5:22 AM
my younger brother's visiting and wanted to post, but could not figure out how to separate my posts from his on this one-horse server.
he's not from Abilene though.
|Same place as everyone else...||mr_spin|
Apr 16, 2001 1:33 PM
|USPS does support George for PR. You might also ask where was Lampre and Telekom? They had guys at the front, too.
Face it. It was Domo's race. Domo had four strong guys on the front after 270K! That's an awesome display of strength that no other team could match.
But in any case, George made the decisive break, so USPS was done for the day. At the time, no one knew Domo would have four guys up.
That's what their strategy has to be next year if they want to win it. Just like they do mountain camps for the tour, they need to do Belgium camps for PR and Flanders. 250K a day, pave included. If USPS can get two guys with George after the Arenberg forest, they can win the race.
|re: f&@k cheap tires???!!!||Bruno S|
Apr 16, 2001 2:46 PM
|Poor George had two flats! If he would have used another type of tires he could have won. What type of tires was he using and what type of tires did not flat in this race. Those are the questions that must be answered.|
Apr 16, 2001 3:17 PM
|A local old tymer who used to race on tubulars for the British National Team said if they did not like their sponsor's tyres, would pick ones they liked and mark thru the brand with a black marking pen. |
|Hutchinson sponsor plus Mavic SSC whatever||Dog|
Apr 16, 2001 4:01 PM
|Hutchinson is the Postal tire sponsor: http://www.uspsprocycling.com/01sponsors/spon_page.htm
However, he got one or two? flats after being supplied with a change by the Mavic neutral motorcycle; don't know what tires they use. Anyone know?
|Would guess the French Hutchinson.||Breck|
Apr 17, 2001 5:57 AM
|Would wonder how many races are actually won on Mavic Wheels and Hutchinson tires? The old tymer sez Hutchinson was the tire of choice in his day and would use them and not his sponsor's by marking thru the name with a black pen. same with bike frames, etc. ... simply re-decal the frame, etc. of choice with your sponsors. |
sh!tt happens ...
Tchmil (Russian, from Siberia) ws battling Museeuw in the 1994 P-R when Museeuw flatted but continued to ride and eventually passed another flatted rider. So when Mavic Neutral Service* arrived the rider (now) behind Museeuw got the wheel, then Johan. Museeuw then came to maybe 6 or 7 sec. from re-catching Tchmil before the string broke and Tchmil went on to win unchallenged.
Andrei Tchmile (Bel), Lotto:
After winning 1994 P-R, Tchmil changed his citizenship to Belgium and moved to outside Roubaix. Believe he has now changed once again and is sporting an Italian citizenship.
*Mavic Neutral Service
SSC ... "the abreviation for : " Spécial Service Courses ". In the 70's Mavic's began its "Service Course" and the Neutral Assistance programme. A number of special products were made for use in racing and for Neutral support use. Following a big demand for these products, several were offered for sale under the banner "SSC" - which was to become the marque for the Mavic products used by the Pros. This tradition has been continued and now identifies products used by the Professional teams and by people with a passion for cycling...all around the world!"
-from the website