|Broken glass driving me crazy||Dog|
Apr 9, 2001 3:13 PM
|Has there ever been a serious attempt to do something about broken glass on the road? I'm getting $50 tires slashed left and right, plus, the condition of roads around here is despicable - glass and other litter everywhere.
Although container deposits may be a partial answer (but teenagers out drinking on Friday night probably aren't concerned about getting their nickel back on their Bud bottle), has there ever been a move to outright ban glass beverage containers? Aluminum and plastic must be a viable alternative, and since both are recycleable, why not? Will it be possible to alarm any member of the public about this other than cyclists?
Apr 9, 2001 3:21 PM
|im always gritting my teeth while i ride over a pile and ive just noticed today that i have a nasty gash...i think baning glass isnt going to happend but i have though about calling the street sweepers and asking them to get on it...they seem to have a routine in which they come by once a month but if you call and request them to clean up your bike route it could work...the gravel,salt, and sand from the winter are still here also and im too scared to take some turns sharply..the street sweeping machine is probably sitting in a garage right now..im going to call one day and see what happends|
|Glass, what glass?||Humma Hah|
Apr 9, 2001 3:23 PM
|... But somehow I can't see you putting tubes in the racebikes's tires that look like car heater hoses. |
I agree -- its dispicable. I mind litter generally. Cigarette butts at every intersection are especially disgusting, some intersections are carpeted in them.
I've made an observation -- the folks who litter have spotless cars -- they litter because they don't want trash in their car, not even in a litter basket. Me, my truck is a mess, always has trash in it, but I refuse to litter.
I'm in favor of giving police incentive to enforce the existing laws, and in having judges sentence the violators not to fines, but to having to put on an orange vest with big lettering "LITTERBUG" on the back, and pick up a few miles of roadway. This has been done in some places and I believe it has been found highly effective, with few people wanting a repeat. It is not really a cost-effective way to remove litter, due to supervision costs, but I believe a very small fraction of the general population account for most of the litter, and with the right penalty, they won't do it again.
|re: Broken glass driving me crazy||Skip|
Apr 9, 2001 4:02 PM
|I take that to mean that the Spin Skins are not worth the money and pretty ineffective huh?|
|flatted first time||Dog|
Apr 9, 2001 4:17 PM
|Well, I flatted the first time I used them, at the Solvang Double. But, in all fairness, I got a gash over 1/2 inch long that wrapped around the sidewall, too. So, hard to say, yet. No thorn flats, though.
|flatted first time||Skip|
Apr 9, 2001 8:42 PM
|Is that a safely repairable tire "injury", or is that an automatic replaced tire? I'd be interested in your long term evaluation of the Spin Skins. Thanks.|
|wine enthusiast that I am....||bk in chula vista|
Apr 9, 2001 4:17 PM
|I would be adamantly opposed to banning glass containers - but your point is well taken Doug. I suspect most of the broken glass I see on the roads is from broken 40's and Mad Dog, Night Train, etc... and IMHO it would not hurt to discontinue packaging them in glass, but alas, someone no doubt would hire a lawyer (heh, heh, heh) and protest too much! ;-0 Actually, the biggest danger to my cycling right now (other than motorists) is construction debris from the Eastlake master planned community that is being built along one of my main cycling routes. Construction nails, metal strips, glass, you name it. The bane of cyclists everywhere. Sigh|
|didn't think of that||Dog|
Apr 9, 2001 4:19 PM
|Maybe just ban glass containers under 750ml, but put a deposit on all. That should do it.
City's often have ordinances requiring contractors to clean up. Just call the local codes enforcement or inspector's office. We get a lot of that around here, too.
|Bottle deposit laws are the answer!||Kerry Irons|
Apr 9, 2001 4:43 PM
|Michigan has a 10 cent deposit on beer, wine coolers, and soft drinks, and is looking at expanding it. Our "miles between flat tires" literally tripled the year after the deposit law went into effect. Not only that, other trash along the highway dropped by 60% because people actually got it into their heads that littering was the wrong thing to do. I'm always shocked when I travel to states without bottle deposits - the roadside trash is much higher and there's much more glass. If you want to make something happen, push for a good bottle deposit law. It will make a tremendous to your quality of life as a cyclist, and in the quality of life in your state, which has way to much roadside litter for such a (potentially) beautiful locale.|
|But Raise Em...||Kristin|
Apr 10, 2001 5:44 AM
|I'm rarely concerned about getting my nickel or dime back. But you better believe I return those Oberwseis bottles for my $.50! If the price goes up to the cost of a toll, then people will be MUCH more inclinded to return them.
Hmmm... I wonder if they could set up a system where you could turn in bottles at the toll booth or have em credited to your IPass.
|nasty idea!||doc TRO|
Apr 9, 2001 5:12 PM
|grab a broom and go sweep about a miles worth of glass INTO the street ... |
once the cars start complaining, then you might have those street sweepers get off their asses...
good luck and dont get runover.
Apr 9, 2001 6:24 PM
|Every now and then, some blanking child (emotionally, if not chronologically) will splash a bottle out on the River Bike Route. In some places, it's tough to see until you're in it and cringing your way through it, off the saddle as if that will minimize the chances of that One Shard parking you for a while. |
If there's an unavoidable patch of shattered glass along the River within a few miles of my place, I'll roll out on one of the bikes that can carry the broom gracefully and sweep it off myself. I certainly can't keep miles and miles of pavement picked up myself, but I do stop and chuck dangerous debris off the pavement rather than just ride around it. European roads are rough but clean. American culture can be embarrassing at times, but I'll look after a few miles.
It's occurred to me to pitch some of this junk back out into the traffic lanes from whence it came..
|re: Broken glass driving me crazy||Rick Francisco|
Apr 9, 2001 7:13 PM
|Last year while riding in Germany,(went to see the TDF)I couldn't believe how good the roads were. No trash,broken glass and junk thrown
on the side of the roads. It seems they care more about their environment and they respect bicyclist, they give you plenty of room. I live
in the SF bay area and you have to dodge all the crap in the road. The
bike lanes seem to be the debris lanes.
|re: Broken glass driving me crazy||Steven|
Apr 10, 2001 9:35 AM
|I don't know how bad other cities are, but Doug is right about Fresno. Seems like I have to dodge glass all the time. The trick is trying to remember from ride to ride where the big spreads of broken glass are. That broken bottle that will stay in the road for weeks just getting broken up smaller and smaller until it finally disappears.|
|re: Broken glass driving me crazy||Marc|
Apr 10, 2001 4:08 PM
|I live in Sacramento, CA and experience the same problems. The bottom-line is that the tires and tubes we use for ideal road conditions are not viable on the roads that most of us do our riding. I strongly recommend a heavier tire (Armidillas)and tube for normal road usage. Mr. Tuffy tire liners should also be used for an extra measure of protection. (Save the Kevlar/Spin Skins tire liners for racing, etc. And they do help.) I know that we dislike using heavier tires/tubes on our road bikes but that is the reality. Or be prepared to fix flats and replace tires frequently.|| |