|bar end shifters||Jack daniels|
Apr 9, 2001 3:02 PM
|I am building up a bike to train and hopefully to get into some group rides. I already have a pair of aero 105 brake levers but they arn't sti. I need a pair of shifters but my bike doesn't have a place to mount down tube shifters. I was thinkin about using bar end shifers but I was wondering if I will be laughed at by other roadies. I was told that bar end shifters were only for tourning. Does anyone here use bar end shifters for their road bike? Thank you.
|If you're worried, don't use 'em...||Cory|
Apr 9, 2001 4:08 PM
|Really, if you're going to let other people dictate how you build up your bike, you'll worry about not being like everybody else all the time and you won't enjoy the ride.
If you just want shifters that work and solve your problem, though, barcons are neat. I've had them on two bikes for years and like them a lot--in fact, when I built my new Atlantis last month, I cannibalized another bike to use them.
It honestly never occurred to me to wonder what other people would think (who CARES?), but but occasionally people do ask about them. Mainly, it's because I'm used to them, but I also like the fact that they offer a friction option (all Shimano bar-ends will do friction; not sure about others) in case I bend a derailleur or have to swap wheels/cassettes for some reason. An awful lot of people have asked where they can get them, so maybe the trend will spread.
Apr 9, 2001 4:50 PM
|You may be retro, but you will have been in good company. Check out the 1973 WCP Giro d'Italia bicycle race tape "Stars and Watercarriers". Felice Gimondi challenging the great Eddy Merckx was using bar end shifters, Merckx having the down tube of the day. Believe they were useful in the mountain stages shifting with out having to reach down, etc. |
My ~1970/ 71 Nishiki Semi Pro has metal cable housed Sun Tour non-indexed bar end shifters. Probably the STI/ Ergo style makes them now seem "obsolete" or retro. Have a Dura-Ace pair of bar-ends in the box bought back when they were about $50. Run Dura-Ace down tube 8-speed indexed [still] on the OCLV, mix and match with Ultegra, 105's for the Old Man's Triple here in the mountains. The bar ends and down tube Dura-Ace came with 1.5 mm dx cable wire , now hard to find.
|re: bar end shifters||BillieJo|
Apr 9, 2001 4:55 PM
|I got em (Drua Ace) on some pretty nice bikes like Colnago and Moser. No one laughs,but I grin alot cause they work so well and cost so much less. If anyone should laugh,it is cause they are anal,IMHO, and you should just tell them to be nice or maybe to take something for it.....But, I really don't think there is a vaccine yet.|
|you might not like them if....||yt|
Apr 9, 2001 5:47 PM
|you might not like bar-end shifters if you ride a really small frame, like than 50cm. On a bike that small with a short stem, the ends of the bars are almost the same distance from the hoods as the downtube position . Plus, I ended up smacking my knees into them a lot. I know that you said that your bike doesn't have downtube braze-ons, but I personally would wait until I could get some STI.|
|re: bar end shifters||tommyb|
Apr 9, 2001 5:53 PM
|I bought a new frame this winter, and don't have the cash to build it up with new equipment yet. The new frame does not have DT shifter bosses, so I dug into the big box of broken down bike parts, and pulled out a set of old bar-ends. I last used them on a cross bike years ago. I forgot how much I liked them. It may even delay me upgrading to Ergo / STI. I get some grief from riding partners about putting old components on a new frame, but they're used to me being 'retro'.|
|Really wanna get laughed at?...try this.||TNC|
Apr 9, 2001 7:11 PM
|I stuck the 2 bar end shifters in each end of a Minoura Space Grip handlebar mount so they'd by easier to reach. They're just forward of the flat of the drop handlebars, so they're easier to get to than in the end of the bars. For my next trick, I used an XT MTB 9spd. Rapidfire rear derailleur shifter mounted on the same kind of Minoura Space Grip, very close to my right brake hood. I can easily upshift or downshift with my hand on the hand. My front derailleur shifter, a DA bar end shifter, is installed in the end of my aero bar (the end with the plastic cap pointed towards the rider). This setup is my favorite as it is very convenient to use and ultrareliable. A Minoura Space Grip that fits on a road bike bar is a very useful tool for getting creative for mounting alternate shifting devices. I took the Ultegra STIs off my brand new bike when in less than 25 miles the rear shifter quit working. Shimano happily warranteed the shifter, but I had already come up with the Rapidfire alternative and never went back to STI. STI just feels like a delicate and spongy shifter to me. There are alternatives if you're not squeamish about being "out of style".|
|Really wanna get laughed at?...try this.||Gary|
Apr 10, 2001 3:17 AM
|Wow...sounds kinda interesting...can you happen to post a close-up picture of your setup?|
|If you can walk me through posting a pic...||TNC|
Apr 10, 2001 4:54 PM
|I can easily get a picture on a digital camera that would be on a floppy. I also have adobe photo shop, but I've never sent a digital picture over the internet. I've messed with just about everything mechanical, but haven't gotten the digital photo bug yet.--Thad Carey|
|I raced with bar-ends, loved 'em||club|
Apr 10, 2001 6:22 AM
|I still have them on my cross bike and on 2 dirtdropped MTBS, still love 'em. Much simpler/cheaper/lighter/reliable than STI crap.|
|If cost is a factor, it's a no-brainer.||Spoke Wrench|
Apr 10, 2001 6:25 AM
|Bar ends are about 1/5 the cost of STI. Use the money you save to buy better wheels.
You might also want to search the archives for posts related to STI. They don't last forever, can't be repaired easily, and are expensive to replace.
There is a certain type of individual who will always find something to criticize about you or your bike. If they think your bike is absolutely PERFECT, they'll call you a poser for owning it. You'll never make them happy so ride the bike that makes you happy.
|go for the barcons||Ray Sachs|
Apr 10, 2001 7:38 AM
|I have two road bikes, one modern ti with Dura Ace including STI, the other semi-retro steel bike with friction only barcons and 8-speeds in back. I generally take the modern bike on faster group rides and ride the retro bike for more social rides or long distance solo rides (slightly easier gearing). For a group ride a couple of weekends ago, my ti bike was out of commission so I rode the retro bike, fenders and all. A few people snickered at the beginning of the ride, but the bike made no difference in the ride. People I tend to drop on hills I still dropped. People who tend to drop me still dropped me. I might have had one missed shift the whole ride (this wouldn't be an issue with indexed barcons). Once we were a few miles into the ride and warmed up, the bike was never mentioned again.
The only actual advantage of sti/ergo that I can find is shifting when standing up, which isn't a great idea anyway. Unless you're an elite racer, I'd say that makes absolutely no difference in how strongly you'll ride.
-Ray "don't worry what other people think" Sachs